Title: Can he have anything? Post by: Royal Flush on June 29, 2008, 06:21:18 PM Full Tilt Poker Game #7018271511: Table dmandon (6 max) - $3/$6 - $240 Cap Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 13:15:42 ET - 2008/06/29
Seat 1: trackyou ($690.50) Seat 2: MacMcNiggs ($738) Seat 4: The Norse Horse ($886.75) Seat 5: tiltingDONK ($1,406.25) Seat 6: anna59 ($493) tiltingDONK posts the small blind of $3 anna59 posts the big blind of $6 The button is in seat #4 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to The Norse Horse [X X X X] trackyou raises to $21 MacMcNiggs folds The Norse Horse calls $21 tiltingDONK folds anna59 folds *** FLOP *** [2c 6d 7h] trackyou has 15 seconds left to act trackyou checks The Norse Horse checks *** TURN *** [2c 6d 7h] [Th] trackyou checks The Norse Horse checks *** RIVER *** [2c 6d 7h Th] [3h] trackyou bets $51 The Norse Horse has 15 seconds left to act Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: doubleup on June 29, 2008, 06:25:00 PM Can you have anything? Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: boldie on June 29, 2008, 06:26:57 PM doesn't seem like it..smells like an overpair to me..might have hit his back door FD but that's it..If i had a set I might call this.
Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Royal Flush on June 29, 2008, 06:34:01 PM Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Claw75 on June 29, 2008, 06:35:03 PM OK - I don't play much omaha full stop - rarely cash and certainly not at these levels, so my thoughts are probably a load of bollox. I'm going to post them anyway because I'd like to learn to play the game better - feel free to shoot me down!! I'd lean towards being a non-believer here - if he's hit a straight or flush I'd have expected him to bet his draws. Likewise I'd expect him to bet a set and probably two pair on the turn once the heart draw is there. I can't imagine the 3h has helped him unless he's hit a baby flush, though I'm thinking that's less likely given the pre-flop raise. Over pair maybe?
Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: booder on June 29, 2008, 06:51:34 PM any previous with villian?
Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Royal Flush on June 29, 2008, 07:17:03 PM any previous with villian? None been playing about 5 minutes, tiltingdonk was the only guy i had a line with. OK - I don't play much omaha full stop - rarely cash and certainly not at these levels, so my thoughts are probably a load of bollox. I'm going to post them anyway because I'd like to learn to play the game better - feel free to shoot me down!! I'd lean towards being a non-believer here - if he's hit a straight or flush I'd have expected him to bet his draws. Likewise I'd expect him to bet a set and probably two pair on the turn once the heart draw is there. I can't imagine the 3h has helped him unless he's hit a baby flush, though I'm thinking that's less likely given the pre-flop raise. Over pair maybe? Exactly my thinking Claire, although i think he prob checks to win with an overpair, a baby flush probably doesn't be the pot as well was my other thought. Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: booder on June 29, 2008, 07:44:26 PM is it possible he has AKQX OR AKJX type hand and has backed into J or Q high flush ?
and why are you not betting flop or turn ? Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Royal Flush on June 29, 2008, 10:09:27 PM I didn't bet the flop because i feared a CR, i didn't bet the turn because i thought i might have the best hand and if not a lot of outs to improve.
I called his river bet as it made no sense to me with Qs 8c 4c 6s He tabled 9s Ahrt Ks 3s and was not too happy with me.... Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: mondatoo on June 29, 2008, 10:27:06 PM Lucky call
Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: doubleup on June 29, 2008, 10:36:35 PM I didn't bet the flop because i feared a CR, i didn't bet the turn because i thought i might have the best hand and if not a lot of outs to improve. I called his river bet as it made no sense to me with Qs 8c 4c 6s He tabled 9s Ahrt Ks 3s and was not too happy with me.... oh - I thought you were going to raise and get him to fold. I think its acceptable to doctor hand histories for entertainment purposes if it doesn't affect the outcome. Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Royal Flush on June 29, 2008, 11:38:58 PM I didn't bet the flop because i feared a CR, i didn't bet the turn because i thought i might have the best hand and if not a lot of outs to improve. I called his river bet as it made no sense to me with Qs 8c 4c 6s He tabled 9s Ahrt Ks 3s and was not too happy with me.... oh - I thought you were going to raise and get him to fold. I think its acceptable to doctor hand histories for entertainment purposes if it doesn't affect the outcome. lol its legit, if he bets less than pot i fold but it just couldnt be anything but a bluff or the nuts i thought and its rarely the nuts Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Nem on June 29, 2008, 11:54:44 PM Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: EvilPie on June 30, 2008, 09:40:52 AM What do you think long term EV is with calls like this?
I make them quite often because I never believe a pot bet on the river following this action. I often find that I was right to think he's bluffing but he's got the seven or something equally as sickening. The read was right but the outcome went wrong if you know what I mean. I can understand that it's not worth raising because he's either got nothing or the nuts but nothing could easily be a pair at omaha. Middle pair just seems very risky and I just wonder how it works out long term. Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Royal Flush on June 30, 2008, 11:48:39 AM What do you think long term EV is with calls like this? I make them quite often because I never believe a pot bet on the river following this action. I often find that I was right to think he's bluffing but he's got the seven or something equally as sickening. The read was right but the outcome went wrong if you know what I mean. I can understand that it's not worth raising because he's either got nothing or the nuts but nothing could easily be a pair at omaha. Middle pair just seems very risky and I just wonder how it works out long term. That was my worry, what if he is bluffing with a 7, i think i this hand that's unlikely i have checked twice i pretty much never have anything by then so he checks behind. I don't make a habbit of calling with 3rd pair in PLO, lol If i had air as well i might well min raise here but obviously then i am getting evens as opposed to 2-1 which is far less attractive! Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: TheChipPrince on June 30, 2008, 11:53:16 AM Hero call of the week?
Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: AlexMartin on June 30, 2008, 12:40:54 PM What do you think long term EV is with calls like this? I make them quite often because I never believe a pot bet on the river following this action. I often find that I was right to think he's bluffing but he's got the seven or something equally as sickening. The read was right but the outcome went wrong if you know what I mean. I can understand that it's not worth raising because he's either got nothing or the nuts but nothing could easily be a pair at omaha. Middle pair just seems very risky and I just wonder how it works out long term. That was my worry, what if he is bluffing with a 7, i think i this hand that's unlikely i have checked twice i pretty much never have anything by then so he checks behind. I don't make a habbit of calling with 3rd pair in PLO, lol If i had air as well i might well min raise here but obviously then i am getting evens as opposed to 2-1 which is far less attractive! much prefer a raise here, would be sick for him to table a bluff that beats you. Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Royal Flush on June 30, 2008, 12:55:52 PM What do you think long term EV is with calls like this? I make them quite often because I never believe a pot bet on the river following this action. I often find that I was right to think he's bluffing but he's got the seven or something equally as sickening. The read was right but the outcome went wrong if you know what I mean. I can understand that it's not worth raising because he's either got nothing or the nuts but nothing could easily be a pair at omaha. Middle pair just seems very risky and I just wonder how it works out long term. That was my worry, what if he is bluffing with a 7, i think i this hand that's unlikely i have checked twice i pretty much never have anything by then so he checks behind. I don't make a habbit of calling with 3rd pair in PLO, lol If i had air as well i might well min raise here but obviously then i am getting evens as opposed to 2-1 which is far less attractive! much prefer a raise here, would be sick for him to table a bluff that beats you. Yeah more i think about the call the more i think a raise is much better, although would confuse the fck out of him given he has the Ahrt On the plus side the call tilted him so much he donated another $1k after Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: doubleup on June 30, 2008, 01:28:26 PM If i had air as well i might well min raise here but obviously then i am getting evens as opposed to 2-1 which is far less attractive! max raise as it is capped surely Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: EvilPie on June 30, 2008, 03:47:39 PM If i had air as well i might well min raise here but obviously then i am getting evens as opposed to 2-1 which is far less attractive! max raise as it is capped surely $204 to win $102 when he can only possibly call if we're losing. Nooooooooo!!!!! Max raise looks weak if anything and is more likely to end in a world of hurt when someone like flushy realises what you're up to and comes straight over the top cus it's an obvious bluff. Min raise looks like you want a call. Any junk hand has to fold unless they're brilliant and can pull a reraise out of somewhere. Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: RichEO on June 30, 2008, 04:34:23 PM How does the cap work here? If you reraise is there any scope for him to reraise back with the bare Ace or have you hit the cap already?
$240 is only 40BB. Do you hit the cap every hand? Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: doubleup on June 30, 2008, 05:22:22 PM unless they're brilliant and can pull a reraise out of somewhere. I know from bitter experience that you shouldn't give anyone this opportunity. Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: EvilPie on July 01, 2008, 12:57:18 PM How does the cap work here? If you reraise is there any scope for him to reraise back with the bare Ace or have you hit the cap already? $240 is only 40BB. Do you hit the cap every hand? Didn't notice the cap. Good point. How does it work? Can you hit $240 every betting round? Does this mean there's no raising once there's $240 in the pot? Mr flush? Anyone? Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Royal Flush on July 01, 2008, 01:30:23 PM How does the cap work here? If you reraise is there any scope for him to reraise back with the bare Ace or have you hit the cap already? $240 is only 40BB. Do you hit the cap every hand? Didn't notice the cap. Good point. How does it work? Can you hit $240 every betting round? Does this mean there's no raising once there's $240 in the pot? Mr flush? Anyone? $240 per pot max, once you have put $240 into the pot you can do no more. It makes the games really juicy as people gamble waaaay to much Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: EvilPie on July 01, 2008, 02:58:06 PM How does the cap work here? If you reraise is there any scope for him to reraise back with the bare Ace or have you hit the cap already? $240 is only 40BB. Do you hit the cap every hand? Didn't notice the cap. Good point. How does it work? Can you hit $240 every betting round? Does this mean there's no raising once there's $240 in the pot? Mr flush? Anyone? $240 per pot max, once you have put $240 into the pot you can do no more. It makes the games really juicy as people gamble waaaay to much Very nice. Might have to find me one of those ;kev; Title: Re: Can he have anything? Post by: Royal Flush on July 01, 2008, 10:51:14 PM How does the cap work here? If you reraise is there any scope for him to reraise back with the bare Ace or have you hit the cap already? $240 is only 40BB. Do you hit the cap every hand? Didn't notice the cap. Good point. How does it work? Can you hit $240 every betting round? Does this mean there's no raising once there's $240 in the pot? Mr flush? Anyone? $240 per pot max, once you have put $240 into the pot you can do no more. It makes the games really juicy as people gamble waaaay to much Very nice. Might have to find me one of those ;kev; They are great on Full Tilt I have played them from 3-6 to 10-20 and the action just gets juicier! I have heard 25-50 is the best but i dont like flipping for $2k all the time!! |