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Title: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: AlexMartin on July 06, 2008, 01:11:41 PM
£400 DC live freezeout. 20k chips in two 10k hits. Decent structure/clock but not immense.

Level 2 100/200.

Table is pretty odd, no-one has shown they can play poker yet apart from an aggro Russian guy who is fairly insane. Rest seem incredibly weak/passive preflop, a sure fire sign of mediocrity imo.

Image is clean, been fairly active but not been to showdown yet apart from showing QQ.

UTG + MP limp, i make it 900 with  Qs  Qc from the cutoff.

Button (tight, decent) calls. SB (maniac, russian, has a vague idea though) calls. UTG (passive nit, calls) MP folds.

Flop  Ad Ks Js.

SB+ UTG check, i check, Button bets 1200 into 3800. SB calls, UTG calls............ action on me. I shove for 6.5k into a 7.5k pot.

u liiiiiiiiiiike?


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: M3boy on July 06, 2008, 01:17:31 PM
nah, Id snap call with KQ

lolololol


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: Dewi_cool on July 06, 2008, 01:39:28 PM
did they have ((((((((((tighty senses)))))))))


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: Royal Flush on July 06, 2008, 01:48:18 PM
Spew


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 06, 2008, 01:59:08 PM
If the table is weak then why bluff your whole stack? Especially after the interest in the flop from many quarters. Can you not outplay these guys steadily without taking such a big risk? There is something quite wrong in suggesting that your oppos can't play before risking your whole stack with any confidence that the very same people will all find folds. They can't play. Like you said.


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: AlexMartin on July 06, 2008, 02:19:33 PM
sorry, board was rainbow, not 2 tone, my bad.


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: M3boy on July 06, 2008, 02:47:28 PM
Alex, you know the guy cannot call with KQ

I like the play, A10 even got out of the way.

Donkaments


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: UpTheMariners on July 06, 2008, 03:27:55 PM
raise more preflop check fold flop - spew


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: fidget on July 06, 2008, 04:31:26 PM
raise more preflop check fold flop - spew
+1


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: Royal Flush on July 06, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
raise more preflop check fold flop - spew

Raise more than the pot?


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: Jamier-Host on July 06, 2008, 06:46:47 PM
£400 DC live freezeout. 20k chips in two 10k hits. Decent structure/clock but not immense.

Level 2 100/200.

Table is pretty odd, no-one has shown they can play poker yet apart from an aggro Russian guy who is fairly insane. Rest seem incredibly weak/passive preflop, a sure fire sign of mediocrity imo.

Image is clean, been fairly active but not been to showdown yet apart from showing QQ.

UTG + MP limp, i make it 900 with  Qs  Qc from the cutoff.

Button (tight, decent) calls. SB (maniac, russian, has a vague idea though) calls. UTG (passive nit, calls) MP folds.

Flop  Ad Ks Js.

SB+ UTG check, i check, Button bets 1200 into 3800. SB calls, UTG calls............ action on me. I shove for 6.5k into a 7.5k pot.

u liiiiiiiiiiike?

Hmmm, not really.  Can see where you're coming from but seems tough trying to get 3 live players to pass when all probably have some part of it....

1st or 2nd "chance"??


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: UpTheMariners on July 07, 2008, 12:53:30 AM
raise more preflop check fold flop - spew

Raise more than the pot?

there is 2 limpers


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: Royal Flush on July 07, 2008, 12:55:22 AM
raise more preflop check fold flop - spew

Raise more than the pot?

there is 2 limpers

So there are!

Still i don't see the reason for raising more pre, unless they are likely to call pot sized bets pre


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: AlexMartin on July 07, 2008, 01:22:02 AM
£400 DC live freezeout. 20k chips in two 10k hits. Decent structure/clock but not immense.

Level 2 100/200.

Table is pretty odd, no-one has shown they can play poker yet apart from an aggro Russian guy who is fairly insane. Rest seem incredibly weak/passive preflop, a sure fire sign of mediocrity imo.

Image is clean, been fairly active but not been to showdown yet apart from showing QQ.

UTG + MP limp, i make it 900 with  Qs  Qc from the cutoff.

Button (tight, decent) calls. SB (maniac, russian, has a vague idea though) calls. UTG (passive nit, calls) MP folds.

Flop  Ad Ks Js.

SB+ UTG check, i check, Button bets 1200 into 3800. SB calls, UTG calls............ action on me. I shove for 6.5k into a 7.5k pot.

u liiiiiiiiiiike?

Hmmm, not really.  Can see where you're coming from but seems tough trying to get 3 live players to pass when all probably have some part of it....

1st or 2nd "chance"??

1st chance. Obviously i did think about this for a while but what is the best they can show up with here really. Q10 is very improbable as i have two i the hole and any other hands make no sense. I thought the most any of them could realistically have and call with would be AJ given the betting. Even if called its not as if i have no equity versus the bigger parts of their range.


Obv after button folds A10 and SB folds Arag, utg limper has a dwellup and calls w KQ.

At first thought sick call wp sir, as he was pretty tight as i assumed he knew what he was doing and had been soul-read but at showdown i said "im behind" and he goes "no way, im definitely behind here". Just thought it was a fun hand, the table stood up and called me mad/great/dumb in equal measures lol. Obv i didnt say a word........

Then the penny dropped, bluffing live players aint big and aint clever unless you have proof they have two brain cells to rub together. Dont try and be big and clever kids.


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: Royal Flush on July 07, 2008, 01:26:04 AM
[  ] Buttons flop bet is good poker
[X] Live players are useless


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: vegaslover on July 07, 2008, 12:21:49 PM
from what you've described it seemed pretty obvious at least one of em had a raggy ace. Only surprise is that those with the aces actually folded. Could be why the KQ guy called, if the other 2 had folded perhaps he felt there wasn't an ace out there


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: Jamier-Host on July 07, 2008, 01:38:57 PM
1st chance. Obviously i did think about this for a while

Aww, there was me thinking you did a Hellmuth insta-shove!

Perhaps they sat watching the £££ appear in your eyes as you looked at all those juicy chips in the pot and worked out how you could nab them all right away...?

:)


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: AndrewT on July 07, 2008, 02:34:46 PM
1st chance. Obviously i did think about this for a while

Aww, there was me thinking you did a Hellmuth insta-shove!

Perhaps they sat watching you scratch your nose as you looked at all those juicy chips in the pot and worked out how you could nab them all right away...?

:)

FYP


Title: Re: Rate my bluff......levelled or spew?
Post by: Nem on July 07, 2008, 03:59:53 PM
Spew