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Title: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: FuglyBaz on July 08, 2008, 10:27:09 AM Blinds are $75/$150
Button is at seat 5 Seat 1: robbie33 - $1,420 Seat 2: todder1 - $2,590 Seat 3: AndyPaj - $6,010 Seat 4: barrcode - $2,523 Seat 5: HERO - $2,088 Seat 6: hanihill - $1,625 Seat 7: rootsista - $771 Seat 8: ciawoman - $3,540 Seat 9: WillJW - $4,160 Seat 10: davelchatnoir - $2,523 Moving Button to seat 6 rootsista posts small blind ($75) ciawoman posts big blind ($150) Dealing Ad Jh to HERO 1 fold, davelchatnoir calls $150, 4 folds, HERO raises to $600, 3 folds, davelchatnoir calls $600 Flop = 9d 2h Aspades davelchatnoir bets $1,923 (all-in) HERO ??? Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: TheChipPrince on July 08, 2008, 10:30:25 AM So you have $1400 left? Folding is burning money here, easy call...
Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: boldie on July 08, 2008, 10:35:46 AM So you have $1400 left? Folding is burning money here, easy call... +1 Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: FuglyBaz on July 08, 2008, 10:44:29 AM That's what I thought really. I was a little concerned about the UTG +1 limp as the villain hadn't really done too much wrong all game. And I'm getting a little paranoid about these early position limps now as you never know what the oppo's line is. So naturally AK, AQ and 99 could have featured in his range as easily as the mid-high pairs, which I'm miles ahead of.
So it's still got to be a fairly easy call, given stack sizes and that I am probably ahead of most of the oppo's range? Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: Royal Flush on July 08, 2008, 01:01:49 PM You forgot to shove pre but have got out of jail with an A hi flop, now your oppo just jams into you which means he can't have you beat unless he is a complete retard
Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on July 08, 2008, 01:03:41 PM You forgot to shove pre but have got out of jail with an A hi flop, now your oppo just jams into you which means he can't have you beat unless he is a complete retard +1, Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: FuglyBaz on July 08, 2008, 01:07:17 PM You forgot to shove pre but have got out of jail with an A hi flop, now your oppo just jams into you which means he can't have you beat unless he is a complete retard I've raised the query of when to shove pre before on Matthew Hilgers forum. My personal opinion was that 10xBB is far too small to shove with because you are still in shove/fold mode where as a 14-15BB shove gives you a tiny bit of room for manouevre. The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember. Anyway.....I pretty much called immediately, and could not believe my luck when he tabled J2o!!! He'd played pretty well all game then he goes and makes one of the worst plays I've ever seen. Was really surprised. Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: Royal Flush on July 08, 2008, 01:15:21 PM The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember. lolz According to the hendon mob database neither Hilger or Matros have ever won a tournament... Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: boldie on July 08, 2008, 01:29:29 PM You forgot to shove pre but have got out of jail with an A hi flop, now your oppo just jams into you which means he can't have you beat unless he is a complete retard I've raised the query of when to shove pre before on Matthew Hilgers forum. My personal opinion was that 10xBB is far too small to shove with because you are still in shove/fold mode where as a 14-15BB shove gives you a tiny bit of room for manouevre. The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember. Anyway.....I pretty much called immediately, and could not believe my luck when he tabled J2o!!! He'd played pretty well all game then he goes and makes one of the worst plays I've ever seen. Was really surprised. 14-15BB's with a limper is a shove. Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: FuglyBaz on July 08, 2008, 02:15:22 PM The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember. lolz According to the hendon mob database neither Hilger or Matros have ever won a tournament... Hilger won the 2002 New Zealand Poker Classic I believe lol. Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: MANTIS01 on July 08, 2008, 02:26:16 PM You can't put a third of your stack in with A-J pre-flop and then have any worry that your hand isn't good enough when you hit post-flop.
Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: Royal Flush on July 08, 2008, 02:26:39 PM The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember. lolz According to the hendon mob database neither Hilger or Matros have ever won a tournament... Hilger won the 2002 New Zealand Poker Classic I believe lol. Oops missed that, 44 runners pretty sick win! Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: AndrewT on July 08, 2008, 02:40:13 PM The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember. lolz According to the hendon mob database neither Hilger or Matros have ever won a tournament... Hilger won the 2002 New Zealand Poker Classic I believe lol. Oops missed that, 44 runners pretty sick win! Those Kiwis probably a tough field as well. Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: FuglyBaz on July 08, 2008, 03:24:18 PM That is a bit harsh lol.
I'm glad people think 14BB stacks should be shoved because that is what I thought. Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: anthonyl on July 20, 2008, 08:43:04 AM You call and he has A9
Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: Jim-D on July 20, 2008, 11:14:13 AM Title: Re: NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove? Post by: anthonyl on July 20, 2008, 12:05:40 PM lol, half asleep here
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