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$2/$4 6 max

I make it $16 to go in 2nd position at the table  Kh Ks. Standard-ish raise. I'm playing $500

New player,North American location,first orbit at table,playing $400 flats on the button. No stats

we're heads up to the flop , $38 in there

flop   3s Qs  Ahrt

I lead for $32

flat called, $102 in pot

could mean spades, any Ace, who knows

turn  Jh

I try and keep the pressure on, spades will have to pay, a poor Ace might fold here

I make it $80. Not sure whether this is sensible or not, but check fold feels v weak. Maybe check call is correct. Help!

He flat calls, $262 in there

River gives me the Th for Broadway

There's $262 in the middle

I'm playing $370 or so, him $270ish

Value bet territory yes?

How much?

I value bet, he pushes by the way.

Thoughts now?   

I'd bet really weak on the river, $120ish, unlikely your not splitting the pot or he's flushed though if he raises...

Hard for him to flush, why is he calling flop? 45h?

Preflop, flop yep

Turn is tricky, are we bluffing/value betting? I think i would check/call a small bet and check/fold a bigger bet but meh its close.

River deffo value betting this card after firing 2 streets and i can't pass to the shove. We have  Kh in our hand the  Ahrt is out there, there are so few hearts combo that get there i can't see how we can fold. We are probably chopping alot.

I don't like your bet on the flop for this reason...

could mean spades, any Ace, who knows

Value bet's fine with me, plenty of hands will call you.

I think you have to call the push on the river. If he has the flush, hard luck, but he could easily have a king here or hopefully the bluff. He may even be a numpty with a set or something.

yes thanks I did call expecting to be chopping

reveal to come on that



the turn is my main question please, struck me at the time I was in difficult territory. Generally too weak in these sorts of spots, and relatively weak at 6 max (full ring its check here and try and get to river)...all opinions welcome

I wouldn't worry about the spades, it's not likely enough. Personally, I'd check the turn. If he's calling the flop, he probably has you beat and with a Jack and Queen on board, he could easily have two pair and is going nowhere. I think he'd fold crappy pocket pairs on the flop, unless he is calling to push you off the turn.

He value shoved 89 spades?

 I probs check flop, minaly a style thing but in 3bet pots v randoms with a wa/wb hand i prefer to use some pot control. The way its played i really dont think the turn is a bet. Pretty damn hard for a worse hand to be calling and ur turning a good hand into a bluff, inflating the pot unnecessarily with a marginal hand without a plan for the river. I prefer Check and soul read him, tough for him to be bluffing you and spade draws will often take a free card. 

BTW the ones where they backdoor a flush do my f***** brain in.

Thinly disguised how has  Qh 9h got there on me!

if he has a made hand on the turn surely he would raise with there being two flush draws and straight draws out there. its a really tough one with the player being unknown. all we know is he bought in for the max so he may know what hes doing. he could of flatted with ak and doesnt want to raise the turn but your holding two of his potential cards so its hard to put him on that. how much did you bet on the river? did you give him enough rope?  

Played it fine for me..always a call on the river.

rather staggeringly I was shown  Qh Qd on the river!

I expected KQ,AK etc

How does he not raise the turn!

Why would he, he's miles ahead. Villain played it fine up untill he stuck the reraise in on the river...that was pretty bad.

Miles ahead knowing Tighty's cards yes, but with the A there, the board opening up to draws, and oppo betting $80 into a $100 pot i'd find a raise more times than a call...

The A is there...the guy is more than likely to be miles ahead fo anyone holding the A, no? He's only behind to AA in fact. The only holding you could realistically expect Tighty to have that could cause you trouble if you have QQ here  (if you think he has the A) is the Ace of Spades and another spade to go with that...but I would expect Tighty's range to be wider than that so I'd be more than happy giving Tighty a free card on the river and have him fire on a blank (or even heart) river. I don't mind how Villain played this at all..I just hate the reraise on the river.

I mean with the A there, and Tighty betting $80 into $100, there is a reasonable chance he has a strong A, and at this point I want to get more money into the pot...  I'm not scared of the A, i'm delighted its there, I mean I would raise because I think any strong A calls and bulks up the pot at a point where I am comfortably ahead..

and yes, the re-reaise at the end stinks...

To add, i dont hate his flat call on the turn, just my preference in this spot is normally, and i say normally assuming its an unknown, to raise...

FWIW

Thinking through the hand afterwards

1 I'm surprised not to be re-r pre by QQ on the button

2. On the flop I'm leading into him, so can understand the flat call there with his monster

3. On the turn I was amazed he didn't raise..two flush draws, sizeable pot, plenty of cards can slow him down on the river (you'd think, not that it did)

4. the river raise struck me that he had decided he was going to be miles ahead after the flop and had a plan to string me along and then shove the river regardless

OK....essentially we're both fine getting the money in we just disagree on the point where we would do it. :)

From villians point of view:

Raising the turn is a must imo, tighty is repping an ace or some kind of combo draw. The best place to get value from all these hands is the turn, due to so many action killers landing on the river. Its not a case of getting outdrawn and protecting our hand but getting value from heros range.

Raising the river is comedy, it makes no sense as tighty only looks him up when he is a beat.

You listening Boldie...   ;whistle;

I always am mate :)

[ x ] villian played the hand badly

Its not actually terrible to raise the river sometimes with his hand. Just requires a dirt load of history and levelling mind games. Do think its a bit thin v an unknown though.

Why is button not RR pre?

Ohh and must raise the turn scary board for draws. 

I've seen many a numpty shove with a set when there are four to a straight, which is why the call on the river is a no brainer.

Your line is pretty gutsy but is fine. I tend to give up on flop, as a big pot isnt going to be won and check folding A high flops after raising pre can work wonders for metagame.

As played i call river 100%, you only really lose to  Qh Th in theory...

 Th was river

Ahh shit. Well yeh the only hand i can now think of is KQ for a chop..

lol at villains turn play ldo.