blonde poker forum

After much consideration we have decided to introduce two new child boards

- Online tournament Staking (child board of Internet Poker)

- Live tournament staking (child board of Live Poker)

There will of course be some basic ground-rules for members to observe.

- You may offer to stake players, or ask for staking, but only if you have a minimum of 300 forum posts.

- Posts should detail in full the proposal to be discussed, rates and amounts available to produce transparency in all instances.

- Begging posts will be removed

- Names of those staking an individual can remain confidential to PMs

- blonde Poker will not become involved in disputes as to the stake itself under any circumstances but will moderate public boards in line with its guidelines for flaming etc.

- This will be non-commercial for blonde Poker.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?board=66.0


and

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?board=65.0

boo!!

LOL thats me cattle trucked then :D

seriously??
OMG

 :dontask:

After a few nipping staking threads you introduce new boards yet a hundred diaries and you won't?
Not very consistant.

I think ifm is just overwhelmed at a good decision, that will be beneficial to blondes. Lost for words by the looks of it  :D

completely seperate issues, and unrelated and unconnected decisions pros/cons for each

A hundred? WOW! turn my back for 10 mins and we've gained about 80 odd diaries.

I must get to work...

[X] Makes a good arguement.

Which board should someone put a diary about staking threads????

[ ] can spell arguement

the rail, please. tyvm  :D

You missed the irony

until we get a new staking diaries child board

She did a good job with my shirts though :)

she has a wok?

LOL ... GFY.

Nice one good idea.

Obviously the only argument for staking boards is that it will attract new members, so greed is the driving force so logically it was Tighty's decision?
Do you really want the types of members attracted to staking boards though?
Forget the page refreshes, unique ip's for a second please!!

300 posts plus is the rules. no new members can ask to be staked.

Not the point i was making.

this simply isn't the case Ian

there's a 300 post threshold for staking and being staked for starters, we're not after new members for this as such

We felt, after a good debate, that the popularity of staking posts and the potential risks associated with it necessitated some ground rules and logically collect them in one place


Diaries there are different issues, again some mods are more pro than anti about a seperate board or moving them to the lounge but already you are seeing a thinning out of the concentration of diaries at the top of the rail now we are at the end of Vegas, and (as a secondary factor, but one I argued of course) there are some business reasons to keep the traffic from the most high profile diaries on the rail.

ok. see what u mean now ifm. my mistake.

My point is simple, nobody AFAIK asked for staking boards, plenty asked for other boards, so why would one be more attractive to the management than others?, simple,staking boards attract people obviously through their nature (something for nothing) others not.
Comercial decisions by corporate whores again ;D

Again, this is non-commercial. As specifically stated in the guidelines for the new board in the OP

anyone know what happened in the end with the brian wilson thing?

So why something nobody asked for v something plenty asked for if not commercial?

Good idea nice one.

Good Idea. N1

as stated above, the "move the diaries" argument didn't convince a majority of mods, whilst a majority of the mods thought staking boards would be a good idea.

If the staking boards don't prove to be a success..judged by whether they fulfill a demand for it or not I suppose, we can always remove them and go back to staking on the big boards. We'll see

In reality the don't move the diaries decision is more of a commercial decision than creation of staking boards. However commercials weren't the primary decision in either. Note my point above about the thinning out of the concentration of diaries already.

Do you realise that Ian attracts more people to this forum than staking boards, IFM & Flushy for Mods imo Aspades Ahrt

+1

can we have a 'love board' where fellow blondes tout themselves for love? call it 'blonde date' see if we can get a wedding by 2009.

I'd charge for it though. Greed, plain and simple, its what I'm about see?

what exactly are you trying to say claire?

lol, sarcasm is obviously beyond nippers eh?

Can we have an IFM starts an arguement in an empty room board pls.

With some tagline like:

Are you looking for an arguement? Well this is the board for you, blondes own resident "mardy mustard" will argue about any topic you choose.

yup - it must have wooshed me.

I think you've missed the point I was trying to make which is that either you have a very short memory or you were well aware that people had suggested staking boards recently - I couldn't highlight the 'IFM' part, so I highlighted your post.

u got my audi????????????????????

Ask IFM, i have hired as my solicitor. He has said your motives are pure greed and has suggested me writing a diary about it, but only if a new diaries board is made.

whooooooooossssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

cant particularly see the point in having a post count restriction for offering stakes, and think that 300 posts is too small to ask for stakes.. in fact I dont think you should even be able to ask for stakes in the short term. Theres far too many nippers compared to stakers in the poker world that its just going to lead to an imbalance of posts.

1000 posts AND been a registered user for a year, AND no PKR avatars is a better restriction imo.

good feedback. If there is an imbalance we're flexible...can always adjust the guidelines if its not working

I think you've gotta go by how long the persons been a member for, you can set up an account and post absolute shite on every thread going just to get your 300 posts up. FWIW im glad the staking board is up and running.

yeah, its just what Boldie's been waiting for

a pretty good % of the posters on here post absolute shite in every thread anyways, as tightend alludes to, so its going to be too hard for the moderators to discern what is and isn't a futile attempt to bolster the post count, which is why i think duration of membership is a much better standard.

Ultimately though, as tightend said, blonde take no involvement in all this, so there is a caveat emptor basis involved no matter who/what gets staked... I hope its a success but I really do think it should be a board that, for now, only allows people to offer stakes and not request them.

Your are in my top 3 posters. Can u teach me how to use big words in posts plz.

1) cheap wine from tesco
2) cheap tobacco from belgium
3) no friends
4)?????????
5) profit

simple!

no way totalise, we want to capitalise on the busto winning players lack of capital!



p.s stake me for 10k nl pretty please.

I find this a bit offensive Ian, and even if it was commercial, the word 'greed' is so misused here.

I found this v.funny......................

but how many winning players truly have a lack of capital. I seen one person already asking for stakes for £160 worth of buyins. £160 is a sum of money you should be able to find in an old coat pocket, what kind of profit is staking this kind of person going to truly generate?

I appreciate that due to work etc there could be an avenue for staking people on limited funds, but its going to be overrun by losing poker players that for some reason think they are long term winners. The staking started for a bit of fun rather then a diligent attempt to be a fiscally prudent investor, and the more people that offer % of themselves, the more likely it is that the board will fall to shit. All imo of course.

I'd happily back grinders like byron if they let me be their rakeback affiliate,  so i guess anyone that can play 50,000 hands of cash a month at 50/1 or higher, PM me!

 :goodpost: ;iagree;

Good post, more eloquently than my "open the floodgates" comment of a week or so back.
LOL at the 50k hands per month player that needs a backer :D

I dont think its a LOL comment at all. A lot of peopel that grind that many hands a month do it because they have financial obligations that they need to meet, and if they get a backer, they reduce their risk, make their monthly nut, and if they have a bad month, they dont have it on their plate to deal with it. In an ideal world where theoretics beholded anything else, it would be a LOL comment, but the grinders needing/wanting backing is low down on my list of LOL's compared to peple that offer X% on one tournament deals.

Ben Grundy gets staked.


"I approached BadBeat at the end of January with a view to them bankrolling me into my regular games, $25/$50 and $50/$100 PLO. So far this has gone extremely well. They manage my bankroll for me, and this year i've never lost more than $50,000 in a day. In comparison to last year, where i must have had at least 10 days when i lost between $75,000 and $150,000. In 5 months i'm up seven figures in dollars, and its definitely down to much better money management, and hardly any NL Hold'em. I've also had no risk, which makes playing far less stressful, plus i don't have to fear the bank account car crash thats happened so many times."

http://www.milkybarkids.blogspot.com/

Sandy

Whilst I agree totally with the postiings and duration of length here for someone wishing to be staked for obvious reasons (although in my opinion you still cannot rule out the odd problem arising), I don't think it should be the same criteria for someone who wishes to stake someone.
I would like to become an active member and contribute good quality posts but only when I feel I have a valid point to chip in with. This might take me longer than the 12 months to start off with so now as a newbie I already feel slightly alienated.
However rules are rules and I agree to abide by them.

Sorry Ironside, it looks like you'll to try and cope without my £15 ( she said tongue firmly in cheek.)

Agree 100% just look at the recent offers for staking, must have been 5-6 lurkers rush out yelling for a free shot at a 10 bucks MTT.

I might have misread the initial post, but my understanding with the restrictions is that they are to be applied for people starting new threads either asking for or offering staking.  I don't think there's any rule stopping anyone with less than 300 posts etc offering to stake someone who has asked for backing (that would most probably be done via PM in any case, so I don't think you're precluded from getting a piece of Ironside :)

Good idea  :)up

Obviously there has to be a "suck it and see" attitude to start with, and changes might have to be made.......but I 'm sure it will be a welcomed addition.

It will be good to also use the board to swap % with fellow Blondes playing in the same comp.

rotflmfao I actually damn near wet myself at that one as I didn't expect it

rest assured, I almost put Kinboshi. Either way it was a joke and not how it was taken by a subsequent poster!

No worries, it was taken as such :)

Even subsequent poster was probably referring to something else you said earlier.

I don't like the idea of a staking board.

Tighty, could you really name 5 players on here who would ask for staking that in your opinion it would actually be worthwhile to people of the blonde community staking?

Doesn't look like Julian or Mr Colclough will be doing it anytime soon.

The only reason people ask for staking is either because they want to play in games they don't have the bankroll for (funnily enough there may be a reason why they dont have the bankroll for these).

If anyone wants staking why cant people just send messages to those they know? This could also lead to problems which would reflect badly on blonde.

People on here want staking for £200 comps etc...FFS they probably need a hot meal first.

I think the staking board is fine, i just dont like th idea of people asking to be staked.
If someone wants to stake then fair play to them and good luck in getting a return.

I'm not going to name names but yes I can think of a number of people.

People may not be able to afford comps for all sorts of reasons..I can think of one person straight away, and to suggest or imply that its entirely due to them being losing players is erroneous to my mind

I also think its quite condescending to say people may need a "hot meal first"....the personal circumstances of people may mean they don't have the bankroll for the comps they'd like to play and their ability or track record at lower levels suggests they'd do well in

blonde is made up of a lot of recreational players,(and some pros too, but mainly recreational) many of whom play small stakes. If they, and the community of which they are a part, come to arrangements through blonde's new boards for their mutual benefit then I regard that as a good thing, with the guidelines that we've introduced obviously being adhered to

there will always be a reason, and it could be one of many.  Family/committments/playing recreationally rather than trying to build a bankroll.

As for your last comment - well, I can't say what I thought after reading that or I'd get hit with the ban stick.

I just don't get all the negativity on this thread - there are people out there wanting to stake players and there are players wanting to be staked.  If you don't want to get involved just keep away from it and let the others get on with it.

In that case they should go and play the nearest £10 freezeout.

Cos just chill man, haven't you got some uni work you should be doing instead of causing trouble on here LOL.......

you're right of course - they should know their place.  I suppose you use 50s for kindling - good luck to you.

but they'll only get staked if there is demand to stake that person....they ask, they'll find out

if there is that demand, then now it can be fulfilled in a formal way. I see it as an enhancement to what is offered by these boards for the community.

I dont see the problem.

If people asked to be staked and people dont seem them as a worthwhile staking option/dont want to do it, they simply dont have to stake them & won't.

Very true, lets hope it works out.

+1

Recently there have been a lot of people getting very vexed about threads which, they admit, they're not even interested in.

If it's not for you, ignore it.

I think it might be worth Bongo adding a Rep (reputation) mod to the forum, which could be modified to give rep to good stakers/ horses similar to how other staking sites do it.

ty, will have a think about this with my colleagues

just ask channing, lidgren, ivey etc if staking players works.

I have been staked for years by a number of sources and now run a decent little stable of players myself, it is far easier and less stressfull to play with others money than your own. Ben Grundy has won over a million this year by being staked, he could have continued playing with his own money as he certainly wasn't busto but being staked has changed his discipline and made him a more successful and profitable player. If you don't think staking works then that your opinion but figures say otherwise- you think badbeat are in it just for the fun of it? You think other mirror sites are being set up copying what badbeat do? In business ideas dont get copied unless they are successful.

I was happy to buy a peice of ironside not because its a +EV investment but because I like the guy and he deserves a shot because of the type of person he is. I am not using any staking sites funds to do this it is coming out of my own pocket and I wish him all the best. If any other members on blonde as worthy as ironside post on the staking board asking for assistance I will take the same stance.

I wouldn't know what notes I use, my butler handles all my monies.


In reality you've got me wrong. I

I see your point..up to a point, but have to disagree with it.

Most people aren't bankrolled for a £200 MTT. Going by the old "never invest more than 2% of your bankroll into a comp" you'd need a 10k bankroll to play them..I don't have that...and most recreational players don't as they have bills to pay. Some of the players that don't have that bankroll could actually do very well in a comp like that (I can safely rule myself out of that category) so someone who does have £200 to spend and thinks "this would possibly work for me as this guy could make me a fair bit of money"  could be tempted to stake that player. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

But even if you look at staking for a cash player at 1-2 level for instance. I don't have the bankroll to play 1-2 PLO, so what do I find myself doing? I deposit some money on Blonde every month and play a bit in an attempt to spin it up. I do the 0.50-1 easily, 1-2 is fine...2-4 great (still plenty donks there) and then I move to 5-10..(still fairly comfortable against the type of players I find myself up against) in an attempt to get to the 4k I think I need to continuously play 1-2 PLO. Unfortunately for me luck has deserted me at fairly critical times while doing this over the past 2 months and so find myself repeating the process again at the end of this month. I accept that variance during a spin-up is massively higher than it is when you are grinding but there is no difference between playing out of your bankroll or playing 2-4 with 50BBs and playing 5-10 with 20BBs (in fact I strongly favour the 20BB approach) as your entire stack is always at risk if you play outside your bankroll.
I could of course go and grind the 0.25-0.50 levels but I don't think there is any point to that TBH.
This means that for me someone who has 5k to invest would be grand, it'd safe me losing my money to the cruel Gods of Variance and it gives someone else a chance to make some decent money...so both parties would win.

Don't get me wrong, I would never ask for someone on Blonde to stake me...my pride would get in the way before I'd do that and there are plenty other websites out there that stake cash game players and one of them might take a shot if I applied with them (But 1 I can't be bothered, 2; I don't like someone getting 50% of any profits AND 30% rakeback..I don't think that's a fair deal  so I'll try it my own way before I do that)

 Personally I like the "I want 5 horses for a tourney" threads..they are great fun.
But I am not too keen on a staking board on Blonde as I just don't like the "I am playing this tourney and give myself an unrealistic edge over the tourney so ask people to overpay for a stake in me" posts, and they will come and those people will get criticized and they will take it personally and it will get out of hand.

In short, Staking can be great..not a big fan of a Staking board.

...can't complete sentences?

this is quite true as myself am only a "recreational player"by virtue of having to gtee an income through work to support my wife and children, However after playing for 3 Years on Betfair and many thousands of hand's in both cash.stt/mtt ranging from 25c/50c upto £2.50/£5 on cash and stt/mtt upto £200.....my betfair account is currently up by £30....wow some might say big deal i hear you groan....but i digress i have won and lost pots worth $3k in the process of trying to master the art (still learning every day after 20 years of playing)....point being i would consider myself a break even player looking for one big score.....on all my 3 main accounts, thats stars/betfair/blonde im at about +/- $50, then again my LIVE ROI Is about 800%.....with a + 33% cash ratio and 10-20% win ratio (albeit in lower end £50 games ave 100 runners).....therefore if i could oneday get staked for say a couple of GUPT events etc i think that the backer im(modest)o would have a very live chance for a return, ...these are events that i cant afford and this is (point being ) where having someone back you could/would be beneficial.....and if you do score big.........well who knows....skys the limit....

A very erudite post young sir.  You should post on blonde more often.

So you're not against the concept of the staking board, more concerned about how it will be misused and abused?

pfffffffffft, always the same with you, isn't it? I post a very nice lo g post and you say the same thing in 1 sentence! ;)

Yes, that's mainly it..I can see it getting out of hand very rapidly.

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A very erudite post young sir.  You should post on blonde more often.




"Erudite"....Now thats Class....

I clicked 'post' by mistake.

I've lost more than a lot of people playing poker, not in terms of money but it cost me my place at uni.  This subsequently badly strained my relationships with friends and very badly with those I love the most, my parents. (To think I said what I said is because I'm rich is wrong. I don't play £1000 freezeouts - cos my bankroll can't afford them. I certainly wouldn't ask to be staked in them either.

I played in a place where a few things where normal.

One was staking and borrowing.

The other was playing above ones bankroll.

I did all these three sometimes back then and can't really see how it would fit successfully into the blonde model. I also don't see how it can really be a benefit.

I can elaborate further and give my reasoning as to why but I'm at the end of my lunch break at work and unfortunately this butler of mine can't read my mind to finish my post.

I know I have a sharp tongue sometimes but I genuinely don't seek to offend so my apologies if I have. I just dont understand why someone who cant afford to play a comp be it £50 or £50,000 buy in wouldnt just play to the level they can afford and build up accordingly. If you need to sell 90% of yourself in a £500 freezeout for example and the first prize is £25,000 arent you better off playing the £50 freezeout that is affordable and will net you £2,500? Surely the edge one would have in this is bigger anyway but that's another argument.

I would say exceptions are very few and far between. IMO those who are worthwhile to be staked don't need to be posting their requests on the 'blonde poker staking board'...people will go to them.

think people are missing an obvious point here- this is on a separate board.

If you dont want to be staked or stake someone then don't read it, its simple.

I will be looking in regularly to look for players who do need backing- some will be a business decision where I am looking for a return or a long term investment, some will be for sentimental reasons or giving something back to someone I feel deserves a shot (like ironside). Its up to me if I want to stake someone and nobody is going to force me to read the board or part with any cash.

Good post GreekStein - I don't think anyone was offended by what you said - it's all too easy to misinterpret posts on forums, or to convey exactly what you're trying to say.  

What you've said makes perfect sense.

But I don't personally think there's anything wrong with the occasional shot at a bigger buy-in event, especially if someone's offered to stump up the entry for a 50% stake.  I also don't think there's anything wrong with people staking some 'horses' into smaller events for a bit of a laugh and the chance to win something back at the same time.

I for one try to stick to the confines of my bankroll.  As a recreational player this means I get to watch people play events I'd love to play - but can't justify because of the bankroll limitations.  I'm sure there are others who want a chance at these higher buy-in events, and if people want to stake them it gives them the chance they wouldn't otherwise have.

It'll be interesting to see how the board is used and develops.

At the start of the year, I was sort of pseudo-staked into a tourney at Luton. It was an £800 comp, and I won a seat in a Blonde comp whereby those who finished in places 2nd-6th got 10% of the winner. So whilst I was not staked as such, I was only playing for 50% of myself.

Now, could I have spent the £800 to enter myself? Yes, I could. Are there better things for me to spend £800 on? Yes, plenty. I'm purely a recreational player and, even if I thought I had a positive expectation in them, I could never play enough £800 tourneys to confidently be able to overcome variance.

Therefore, staking (even at even money) would allow me to play a higher level of comp (which probably actually suits my game better) without increasing the variance - staking can be used purely as a variance reducer.

Did you cash .... did you F**k ;)

I may well be able to find a few quid to use as a kitty for staking on blonde ... Wont be much, the odd $20 comp or $10 comp, would probably be on a 50/50 after stake basis ... with any profit on the stakers side being re invested into the kitty for further staking ops.

Its something that I have proposed anyway, so news as i get it :)

This has become quite an interesting topic.

Assuming the normal stake is 'buy someone in for 50%' you would need the player, on average to make over double the initial stake for you to make any profit.

How many players like this are there that wouldn't buy themselves in?

under consideration! definitely a possibility if people are up for it

Ahem.

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&n=30893 (http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&n=30893)

Sigh ... trust me to pick your one hit wonder :(    ;marks;

cough, see online staking board


staking virgin removes item of clothing....

I'll have you know I have a 100% final table hit rate in £500+ tourneys in England.*

*sample size may not be statistically significant

yep thanks for the clarification Greekstein - it wasn't your views on staking that led me to post what I did, more the implication that people that wouldn't buy in to a £200 tournament with their own money couldn't afford a hot dinner! I accept I may have misconstrued it though :)

It wouldn't even cross my mind to stake or be staked.......think I am just too thick

hush.  you coming to Luton tonight?

Don't forget that some people stake for fun, so they have someone to egg on during the event, even if they believe it's not the shrewdest investment.

very good solid points made here.... ;hattip;

I do a lot of staking, i currently have 3 permanent horses i took them on towards the end of last year and they have made me something in the region of £20,000 since then. They all have a reason for needing staking, but can all crush the games they are in, staking is deffo a good thing when done right (Channing tells me Bax and Sheets won 4 bracelets @ the wsop with their horses but still did in $2m!)

I myself am thinking about touting myself out to known stakers for the upcoming EPT season, i know i have an edge on the tournaments however i also know my bankroll is not where it needs to be to play them (around $1m)

Hell i might even start a thread in the live staking for blonde users to buy a share for Barca

I'll throw in a tenner for a money belt.

you will be buying my wages as Flushys minder ... the big mincer cant be trusted with all those bully boy pick pockets.

A tenner from me for a rape alarm.

Kev can you keep up with a moped ?

No, but then i aint mug enough to let some spanish scrote mug me am I  ?

Good post Russ.

geo

Great idea

You noticed the latest member racking up the posts? 11 posts in 10 minutes....some record surely!!

EDIT: 14 in 15 mins...

Maybe he's related to Kinboshi?

How did i know you'd follow with a post?.... :)

Lol..no idea...but I am nothing if not predictable.

p.s. he's upto 19 already!..that's impressive!

Spooky exact same second different thread.

already time to consider adjusting the guidelines?

I'm getting ready for a 30k posts minimum in a few months :)

ban Germans for starters

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pack it in Dean, I'll be starting a blacklist at this rate...headed by you!

busted... just thought if you were giving money away to donkeys id better get in quick...dont my long vegas posts count for about....emmm.. a 120 posts

Well we're already considering adding a couple of things to the 300 post count requirement..watch this space.

If people (not you, i think you are joking!) are going to take advantage and post fill pretty obviously we'll have to

Ill be a good boy...its bloody hard work anyway....no good in the comp tonight ??

nope, course not

Now give the posts a rest for 5 minutes, I'm having trouble keeping up with you

Your required post count is now 367 anyway, so there!

ah man...goalposts and all that...im going to bed some of us have multi million pound empires to run..and its my turn to make the tea in the morning   :)

To stop the influx of obvious staking whores you should say 'has to be forum member for 6 months' or something similar

yes, we probably will. Something very similar to that. An oversight on our part.

ive been a member for ages does that mean im in?

looking less likely by the post.

Causes a bit of a problem because Blonde is quite a close community meaning the conversations get diluted with crap with people bolstering post counts.

agreed. Hoping in time some of that "noise" settles down as the novelty of a new thing wears off.

Should do i guess. Where all the new traffic comes from i don't know. Maybe its lurkers who have signed up?

Maybe.

Its certainly a bit odd to see an immediate bump in post count across the forum, mostly from new members when we haven't publicised it beyond this thread

If it doesn't settle down and we're overrun by post fluffing, staking whores and the like then I don't mind reversing engines and admitting a mistake...but we'll see. I'd like it to work obviously 

Yeh it makes sense. Should be fine i have no doubts about that

Anyone should be able to offer stakes. The risk to those staked by a newbie is minute.

Anyone should be allowed to seek acceptance for a staked that is offered as it is up to the staker to accept or deline a potential stakee and set the terms with which they will do business.

Asking for stakes is the problem area. You can have minimum posts and/or minimum registration time on site before people can ask for stakes. You could also screen these requests via a mod/staff/volounteer. This would no way indicate any Blonde involvement as you are only giving permission to ask for a stake and in no way are Blonde vouching for people.

In all honesty i think after a few people don't get much action on requested stakes then it won't be such a big deal.

I have a decent post count on here but hardly anyone (if any) would say they knew me. Singhee (or however you spell it) would have more prospect of stakers than i would probably.

Sandy

there may be some kind of scam you could do with stolen credit cards

like deposting money on a site shipping you the money you win they collect then charge back there credit card claiming fraudulent use and you having to pay back the money

Minute is the key word there ;)

Sandy

+1 :)

;iagree;

for a post that mentioned fluffling and whores i was strangely unaroused by this one :(

Aha!  A solution is at hand.  Don't panic.   Now, where's that ad...

By my reckoning your post is 105 days too late. ;scarymoment;

 ;booder;

By my reckoning your post makes no sense.