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Playing a tourny, Im on the button with with 71,000 chips, 3rd on the table in chips, down 12, playing 6 handed, short moves all in for 11,000 (blinds at 2k/4k no ante) from UTG! and next player moves over the top for 30,000 so I call both postions (should I think of folding??? both loose players and shown some reckless hands and I did call in a instant, not even a think) and then the SB (chip leader also calls) 100,000 odd pot

Flop comes

 2h 4h Ks

SB Checks - I Check

Turn

 6c

Small Blind Checks, I raise all in and he calls (is this a bad play?)

On there back SB, shows 5, 3 off suit for the straight, Now did I do anything wrong here river came blank and im out, now do i put someone on 5, 3 after calling a 30k pre flop with only 2k in the pot?

Could I of done anything wrong, should i have pushed the flop,

What did you have?

Seems to have vanished lol

 Ahrt Kh

Shove on the flop.

FYP

FYP means?

Yes, That's actually what I meant!

fixed your post

+1

Dont understand what fixed your post means, unless you mean, where i added the AK

I fixed Kinboshi's post to say what it should have!

Mangledaments

Shove pre, shove flop, if you haven't shoved by then just get up and leave the tournament

loooool.

But yeh, do all the above. Akh = nuts

I will be honest with you Jaydeaa and tell you that your play here stinks. You identify the 2 ep movers as loose and reckless and decide to play your A-K. That is fair enough. But why would you just call? Can you list the benefits? I doubt that you could because there aren't any. If you decide to play the hand you need to push here end of. I can list the benefits of doing this easily. 1. You isolate the loose players 2. You don't invite anyone else in with bricks because they see value. 3. You can't fold. 4. You can't get out-played 5. You're putting half your stack in anyway. So a lot of reasons.

I can't actually believe the sb calls 28k with 3-5 but that is the situation you invited so you've only got yourself to blame. So the drawing flop comes K high. Why would you check? Can you list the benefits? I doubt it. There is like 100k in this pot man. What are you doing? I mean you move all-in anyway on the turn when you're beat. You have slow-played one pair when there is 100k in the pot and you have 40k. And you have slow-played the flop only to push when a seemingly harmless card drops anyway. All in all an absolute mess. I'm not looking to make you feel bad but rather open your eyes. You've got to ask yourself whether your strategy here is solid and tangible. Because clearly it isn't.

Why am I starting to think every thread on this board is a level?

christ knows how you got to the turn, villain isnt going to bet into a dry pot with a weak holding and will only put another chip in if ur dead, going for a CR is a bit nuts. you have the nuts, shove the flop.

 i prefer shove flop to shove pre given action.

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Why?

Are you not happy to shut out the blinds and just take on the all in guys?  You don't really want both blinds coming along for the ride as well do you?

ur up against 2ai's before you which is the critical factor. AK's value is in spanking dominated hands. Shoving to isolate would be proper if you had a made hand that does better against fewer players (like 99 here i prefer shove>call) OR if you were v 1 allin guy (where you could realistically expect to have him dominated a fair chunk). Here, as you are going to need to hit to win this most of the time, i prefer flatting.

The 30k shove was pretty huge so should rule out all marginal holdings from the blinds but maybe let in some dominated hands. You dont really mind the blinds coming along with marginal holdings as long as you play correctly postflop. It should be really hard to make a mistake in those situations tbh, especially ones on the flop as shown here. Think we can stick this one in the random box coz wtf is he doing calling with 53.

oh, forgot, IN MY OPINION, obviously shoving is fine too.

Posted by: AlexMartin

Sounds like good reasoning, but when you consider flatting is for half your stack, and the pot is over 100k, and you leave yourself less than a half pot bet in your locker, I don't see post-flop guile as majorly relevant. This pot will take you to the CL as it stands so why get too clever/greedy. I am not putting half my stack in only to fold when I don't hit the flop. I would prefer to fold pre than flat and fold on the flop. A-K is for pushing here and that's the bottom line.

Another reason for pushing pre-flop is to get better hands to fold. This is a pretty fundamental aim of poker. If the sb is sitting with a decent pair like J-J he is much more likely to push all-in rather than call all-in. I'm not saying that is paticularly good play, but it does happen. If it gets to him after all-in, raise all-in, re-raise all-in his Jacks don't look so good and he mucks. If the raise is flatted before it gets to him he may fall in love with his hand enough to push. Then if we find the ep all-ins have unpaired A's or Kings you find yourself flipping for your tournament with reduced outs. There is no reason to invite this situation on yourself considering the size of the pot.