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$1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:09:31 ET - 2008/07/17
Seat 1: Lightn615 ($176.75)
Seat 2: glassback1 ($119.30)
Seat 3: Natrykris ($234.20)
Seat 4: txpokerstar1234 ($231.40)
Seat 6: bleesr ($140.75)
Seat 7: sanjoda ($171)
Seat 8: Poloten4ik ($224.80)
Seat 9: Verved_One ($339.30)
Verved_One posts the small blind of $1
Lightn615 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Natrykris [5c 5s]
glassback1 folds
Natrykris calls $2
txpokerstar1234 calls $2
bleesr calls $2
sanjoda folds
Poloten4ik folds
Verved_One calls $1
Lightn615 checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc Th 4s]
Verved_One checks
Lightn615 checks
Natrykris checks
txpokerstar1234 checks
bleesr checks
*** TURN *** [Kc Th 4s] [5d]
Verved_One checks
Lightn615 bets $10
Natrykris raises to $40
txpokerstar1234 folds
bleesr folds
Verved_One folds
Lightn615 calls $30
*** RIVER *** [Kc Th 4s 5d] [Ts]
Lightn615 checks
Natrykris bets $42
Lightn615 raises to $134.75, and is all in
Natrykris  :dontask:

I made a crying call. Line suggests he has me beat though?

He has ATs IMO.

Looks like trip 10's to me, I dont see anyone slow playing with 3 others in the pot.

if he rivered a Jaws I would be very surprised

Auto call imo.

Could be shoving A10 etc. Just ridic if he has K10, 104 etc.

Line suggests you are winning i think..

not what I thought when he c/r the river.

irrespective of what he had, I would like to know if this thought is just weak arse nit bollocks

tyvm

p/s of course I called

Arse bollocks weak nit

i think all hands that are beating you/filled the river would have pumped the turn surely?

nods. sighs. you know what's coming.

10 4 suited?

Natrykris calls $92.75
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lightn615 shows [Ks Td] a full house, Tens full of Kings
Natrykris mucks
Lightn615 wins the pot ($356.50) with a full house, Tens full of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $359.50 | Rake $3

How does he not get it in on the turn? He checks flop to c/r I assume then its checked round

He's either a fkin genius with a super user account or a retard!

I am shocked by the check with 3 other people in the pot on the flop, there are open enders out there, each to their own i suppose

hes prob thinking OMG I HAVE TEH NUTS I WILL TRAP THE HELL OUTA HIM. Shame the river didnt blank, because then you get the lot.

The reraise on the turn card 5 which looks like a blank would be surprising to me as i would be thinkin what has the 5 done to make him suddenly want to reraise me.. if i was him it suggests a standard way of playing a flopped set..i have  k 10 so it would be natural to assume set of 4's .... maybe he thinks his behind but flat calls hoping to fill up...but in this type of game at this level surprised he doesnt bang it on the turn as u said

Seems a bit like you are aftertiming here. I can't really envisage anyone passing KT on the turn. (although a slight possibility with what i am assuming is tightys tight image)

wouldnt fold either but wouldnt you wonder why his reraising on a 5 turn ?? classic set play imo

I think he plays this nicely, certainly on the turn. You do play this like you've got a set, from the limp preflop to the turn raise. What else can you have here? (Edit, maybe 45 suited or AK I suppose, but maybe he can eliminate those from your EP-limped range?) And more importantly, if he shoves turn, what can you call with on this board apart from a set? (A different issue from Sunday's point about whether he could pass KT on the turn here).

Whether he should bet river or not I'm not sure. Maybe it's going in anyway, but the T on the river is quite likely to slow you down, so against your range the check-raise is probably his only/best way of getting his whole stack in.

Looks like one of those hands that gives you that sinking feeling as intuition tells you you're beat but your conscious thought is "I've got a set (house) and you can't fold a set". Problem is that he's just called a $30 turn raise so a bare K or T is pretty unlikely, and other than that you're only ahead of a set of fours. Some of that is very player-dependent of course, and stats on him would be interesting, but the players in this game who'll call that turn raise OOP with AT are unfortunately few and far between, and pretty easy to spot. Players who'll check-raise a missed straight draw on the river when a scare card hits are still fewer and further between, so he hasn't got nothing here.

As an aside, do you have any thoughts on Poloten4ik? I've been venturing back into this game recently, noticed he's a new 15-tabler there. People at my table earlier accusing him of being a bot, though probably with no good reason... I played a very strange 3-bet hand with him. Cheers.

I'm fresh back into the game so no player thoughts just yet. Its a game I do well in though, historically

Yes, I knew I was beat as implied earlier when he c/r river

My hand is a bit face up on the turn though, but it required more discipline than I had to check-check river when the board paired

ugh, this guy must be like the nitties of nits ever. If ur hud says he is a total and utter idiot rock, when he takes this line u should fold the river, but its pretty damn hard as K10 is the only hand he plays this way (of 105/104 which nits wont play). Just a cooler Rich, move on get raising ;)

They do play T5 and T4 when it's free in the big blind...

Seems to me it's easy to say it's just a cooler, and obviously I agree that this sort of hand often is just that. But there's a reason why Tighty 'knows' he's beaten here, and that's because the dry board coupled with the turn action means there's almost nothing in villain's range that he can beat.

I don't think villain needs to be a total nit to take this view - I think you just need to know he's not likely to call your big turn raise with AT or check-shove the river with AK. Most people wouldn't do either of those, assuming Tighty's image is solid, as I assume it is.

I'm not saying I could or would necessarily fold this at the time, but I do think it might be a fold.

Tighty must be getting more game in his old age if people are checking full houses to him on the river. :)

whoa, sorry, didnt see no preflop raise. Havent played a pot where there wasnt one for a long time.

Auto call. Two pair is most likely to put in another raise on the turn or at least bet the flop. On the river his range of inferior hands just pips it for me.

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