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Was playing DTD last night and we had a lively ROE game, for the last few hours the game was 3/4 handed and some interesting holdem spots came up, i actually have forgotten lots of them will try and recall them later but in the meantime here are 2 hands:

Playing 4 handed £5-£5 NLHE you are in first with  Aspades 3s and raise to £20, 2 folds and the BB (the player you are targeting in this game) re-pops to £80 he is playing £6000 you cover, call raise or fold?

I called the flop comes  3c 7s Js oppo now checks? What play here bet or check, if bet how much?

I checked the turn came  Jd he checks again, what action now?

I bet £75 he calls pretty fast, river  Ts he leads for £75, now what do you do? If raise how much?


The other hand i can think of at the moment, 4 handed you are the button there is a £10 straddle, you find 6s 6c and raise to £35, the SB calls and the BB a very capable player raises to £180 at this point his range here is big pairs only you are both playing approx £7500 and the SB has £1k, what play do you make now?

Why is the BB the target James, Physical tells, general loaded mug who calls anything, or just to spite bust him cos he is a mate?

what info do we have on him, is he playing loose, tight, had ge got the stack by luckboxing it?

wee bit more info please

He is just out of his depth, he started with £200 @ £1-£2 got to £700 then came to our ROE game and hit everything to spin to 6.5k, it transpires 2 hrs in that he wasn't aware of needing 2 cards from you hand in PLO when he tried to claim a 4 card flush....

ohh SCORE!!!!

In that case I would be willing to go broke on my Flush here, i am raising to £375 to play, if he re pops I probably flat cos I am a donk, If he shows me 10 , 10 in the hole or jack 10 I know its just a tad unlucky.

Do you think he would be calling the 300 reraise on the river? does he have form for calling off bad to river raises?

Wow 1000+bbs deep.

Hand 1

Super deep with a fish i like flatting the 3bet and hoping to win a monster pot. I bet the flop for about £100, our equity against most of his calling range is at least 50% and any fold equity is always good. We are so deep we don't have to worry about been blowing off our hand by any standard check raise.

Once checked to twice, how can we not bet. We likely have the best hand but our draw is nowhere near as good as on the flop. I raise the river pretty small, something that he can call with alot of worse hands. I like making it £200. Obv getting raised here would be pretty yucky, but we have to raise for value.

As newmanseye say abit more info on bb would be useful, calling station, maniac etc.


Hand 2

So bb is a capable nit, if his range is just big pairs. By capable I presume you mean he would have no problems letting go of an overpair if he thought he was beat.

Assuming he above its a tricky spot, we are getting about 50 to 1 in implied odds (7500 to 150) but its unlikely we make all of this if we hit a set. I would probably call but i don't hate folding.

Hand 2 for me is a chance to Flat call and set mine, nothing more. with the action I see it as a possible cock waving contest post flop.

He was a calling station really, he was feeling invincible.

Second hand guy is not a nit but i know he isnt going to try and blast me off a pot to make £70 when he has a donkey with 6k on the table

Hand 1 is a clear bet fold on the river. Probs something in 2/3 pot value area.

Hand 2 is like THE perfect set-mining scenario by definition.

you bet fold hand 1?

against this opponent? a guy that has not got a clue, he is probably betting the river with some garbage like King 10

he never has K10 here..ever. Nobody is that stupid...even Flushy never said the guy was that ignorant. Also, these are HE spots..the guy was on 1-2 HE first and moved up...he must known how to play HE at least to some extent...he plays it like he has the J...good for him, now reraise him..probably to 200 total..nice value bet amount and he should pay you off.

Hand 2 i flat call it to hit my set unless I see the SB think "Oh feck it I might as well throw them all in then"

100%
U raise and fold if he goes nuts (probs make it £275 more), takes an incredibly good player to hand read well enough this deep to be able to put you to the test without a house here. You telling me you raise then call a shove 1000BB's deep? That would be absolutely nuts. We started the hand 1000bb's deep!!!!!!

If I think I am ahead I am calling to a shove regardless of the number of Bigblinds I have.

again this is probably a hole in my game.

Altough its a live game and we lose a lot of the info available in the translation.

will jsut have to wait and see what flushy posts.

1) I'd bet flop and turn. Like flatting the 3 bet pre. I actually think folding that deep when we have position would be a major, major leak. Once we flop the nuts (well, ya know what I mean) I want to inflate things as we have tons to get in and we need to start somewhere. If I bet the flop and he checkraised, I'd prolly call and be kinda unwilling to fold the turn unless he overbets the pot or something (though if he does that your implied odds may be bigger!!).

On the river the question is not whether you should raise, but whether you should call a 3-bet. I'm making it 250 now and you will be best placed to know whether he could juice it again with less than a house. If he's really bad and thinks KJ is the nuts here then keep shoveling money in.

2) Call? Like what else is there. If he's good he'll know his range is telegraphed and he'll know that you are calling to flop gin with the implied odds on offer. So what, folding is lol and raising can't be good if his range is as described. I mean, this deep you can still win the pot without flopping a six just by applying the right type of pressure if the flop is super co - ordinated / dry (i.e. either is going to be good for you to double or triple Darrell post - flop if he has AA - QQ).


As an aside, stacks are prolly too deep. Surely at some point there is an argument for raising the blinds / walking away. Particularly if you don't have an edge against two of the three opponents.

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numpty is 1k BB deep and you cover and are ip playing 4handed. why on earth are you leaving?

To go next door for 375 lap dances maybe??

Hand 1 - Have you reraised him often? This would maybe worry him if he's only got a small pair so would make 3's or 7's unlikely. He's more likely to call your £20 hoping to hit his set. Have you showed much tendancy to go away to a £55 raise? Again this would make the 3's or 7's unlikely unless he's thinking that his implied odds are massive if he does hit his set. You're best placed to know if he's likely to re raise pre with 3's or 7's.

Is he raising with 2 spades? I doubt it with what we know is already out there so you're unlikely to get well paid anyway.

I don't think it's worth raising on this river. Unless he's got  Ks Qs there's no way you're winning any more out of him anyway. If you make it £350 and get re popped to £1350 then what? You don't want to fold but you doubt you're ahead. I know it sounds weak but there's no need to go broke here. You say he's an easy target so why try to do it all in one beatable hand. He's the one that needs to do that, not you. Sounds like you'd be able to chip away at him all night and eventually get all his chips anyway.

He might seem like a poor player but it doesn't mean he's stupid. He'll have seen you making plenty of raises and maybe has been waiting for his chance to take a big pot off you. The way he's played this hand screams of set / fh to me. Just flat it!!

I know that you're probably ahead here but I'd just take his £230 then chip away at the rest. If he happens to have the goods and you pay him off an extra £1k then it's just going to take longer to get all of his money.

All that said if you don't think him capable of a re raise with a small pair then raise it up a bit hoping for a call but be prepared to fold if he 3 bets it by too much.

If he shoves here how can you possibly think you're ahead? He can't be that stupid!!

Even the nut flush can't shove here because of the paired board and we know he's not got that.

for me what matters is the fact that we know we are better than this guy. Long term we will beat him and take all of his chips. If we risk it all here then we have lost a great opportunity to take an easy £6k off a weak player because of a fancy move on a dangerous board.

Hand 1 you got to raise the river or you can be missing a ton of value.
You get called by any lower flush, and Jack and maybe even a 10.

Obv. a reraise is horrible.

huh? This is mental. We arent going broke here, we are raising for value. If he b/3bts the river we can fold, its not like by raising the river we must stick anothger 5.5k in. Also, he's a bad player, you want to wait for a better situation than this.....inadvisable in live poker, 4 handed this game can break easy. And we dont always have to have a flush on the end here, if ur playing well you should be getting called here by a whole lot more than other flushes.

Hand 1 I prob make it £225 here, value raising, but at the same time keeping the pot in control.

I wouldn't be suprised if he has AA-QQ here.

Looking to check raise the flop as you are likely to bet most flops, and the river is a blocker bet?

Maybe I just read it totally wrong. I would expect TT or JJ to bet more on river, £75 is just donkish.

Not sure about this if we've raised his river bet. Maybe if he'd checked he'd have called a value bet but the raise is a different animal. Can you honestly see him value betting £75 with anything weaker than a flush with the way this betting has gone? Possibly trip jacks but even that seems unlikely.

Why would you expect the game to break any time soon? They've been 3/4 handed for a few hours. There's no reason to think it won't keep going (unless it's getting v late but we don't know this).

His bet looks like a classic 3 bet set up to me. If we raise him here then we have to expect a 3 bet. He's not going to try to steal this pot with a £75 bet on the end expecting us to fold. If he's been playing for a while against Flushy then he's got to expect at least a call and more likely a raise.

I know the guy's supposed to be weak but I'll say again that doesn't mean he's stupid.

TBH I probably couldn't resist the raise myself but I'd be kicking myself when he whacked in another £1k!!

You say we're raising for value so how much do we raise by then? If we make a weak looking value bet and the guy is ridiculously reckless he could 3 bet us with a weaker flush or even trips. We'll never know this because apparently the plan is to fold.

I can't see the value in this if the plan is to fold. You're probably looking at trying to nick another £200 max out of him in a move that could go horribly wrong. We won't go bust for sure but it could cost a good few hundred more. It's only 3% of the £6k that we're actually after.

Flushy would obviously know more about the exact situation and I look forward to hearing the result. If he thinks he's ahead then obviously raise hoping to call a re raise. If he knows he's ahead then it's easy, just keep throwing money in. However, to me the way the hand has played looks suspicious.

Sorry for being a weak ass but I'm calling.

He's playing against Flushy.

If he's even slightly observant he's expecting a raise. I don't think it's donkish at all.

Maybe I'm giving him too much credit but I think it's a set up.

Pretty much how i saw the hand, given he was a donk though i made it £425 to go, he then starts counting out £5000, ugh!

After a long dwell in which he says "you can't be raising with a flush, lol" he eventually calls and mucks

Obviously i am snap folding to a 3 bet.


The 66 hand i do call the extra the flop comes 763 rainbow and the SB shoves his £500, the BB calls the £500 your play then?

Alright James, long time :D


The first hand is a fold imo, the fact you are extremely deep does not mean you can stretch your 3 bet calling range to A3 suited, although I am not a 1000BB cash game expert lol!
River raise is fine, I deffo value raise vs any opponent here.

lol @ that bit.

I probably flat the £500 to give the BB another pop at it on the turn.

Where did you find this guy?? I bet you can't wait to meet him again.

Looks like I had him completely wrong. Definitely gave him too much credit. To say "You can't be raising with a flush" then call and muck is fookin hilarious!!

What must he have had  ;D

Looked like a set up to me all along. This is why I will never play 1000 BBs deep  ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend;

In oppo's position here has anyone got the balls to 3 bet Flushy with another £1k even though you're holding sweet FA?

Just wondered if the way it's played makes it look like a draw that's hit the river.

Surely Flushy's not betting the turn if he's hit the f/h? That would mean you're only behind to 10 10 which would just be unlucky.

Any thoughts??

only house flushy can have is J10 given the action, might be profitable to 3b the river, not sure, image would have to be clean as a whistle as James doesnt like folding ;)

you been on a spin up m8 last time i was at dtd you was grinding 50 p chips lol

:D

Thought we had agreed on your silence!!!!

hahaha, flushy was sat in that seat for about 45 hours in total over the weekend, and i dont blame him. There were a few targets in the crosshairs (sp)

OK, so what happened in hand 2 then, Flush?