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This has become a more and more common occurance in Luton over recent months for whatever reason, and I'm sure in other places too. Players that have only ever played a couple of times live, or never, going straight for £100 or bigger tournaments.
We had a cracker last night, Ipod plugged in the whole way, never knew when the action was on him and played a flopped set of nines rather generously against Dick Lynch, checking it down on a particularly unscary board. That didn't stop Uncle Dick getting more and more annoyed with him as the night wore on.
Of course he got cards and was still going strong well into the final two tables. But should these young dudes start off at such a level? I learned the live game playing £20s, £30s and £50s at the Gutshot. The new breed of player seem to think they warrant going straight in at the top level when, of course, they don't. Seb who? rofl

Same old story Chomps ...same on internet..your playing $200 S&G  look some numpty up and find his played 3 $10 's and won one....Guy I do business with has only played the £5 rebuy 3 times ( his whole live experience ) and he was in the £100 comp last week. He just sits there like all rookies and waits for big hands and lumps it in....no idea wot is going on...but he still probably better than me at the mo.

Thing is half the time you want these people in...all you have to do is avoid being unlucky...cos they play cards not poker..big difference.

Ive seen the same thing lately people in the hundred that should never be there cos they havent got a cat in hells chance unless they hit everything and have 10 sets of aces...

I wasn't in the comp last night.

havent seen you for age where you been?

You only want them in half the time?!!!

TBH I am guilty as charged on this one.
Have only been playing live a few months and tourneys isn't my best suit, but can't be arsed to give the time and effort to travel for a £25 jobbie that only means something if you finish top 2.

Most of the people who are doing this are playing with money they can afford to lose, so I can't see why it's an issue.

Half the time cos it is extremely difficult to put an inexperienced player on a hand as they sometimes assume calling raises with K4 suited is a good call.

Dont think Chompy's point is an issue so much more an observation....you also find people playing these comps who clearly cant afford it and are hoping there limited skills will bring them a big pay off..

We have someone on this thread complaining that crap, novice players are playing in higher-stakes tournaments?

Have poker players started hating money?

Not complaining as such, just posing the question. I don't mind playing with newbies/donkeys, as most of my best results have come in large fields of them in Vegas. Just an observation really.
Friday nights in Luton have changed massively over the past year or so. I've had tables where I haven't known a single player. Don't mind at all but some of the old brigade get very annoyed with their 'is it my turn', '"I'll raise" when there hasn't been a bet post-flop' antics.

Some field sizes  in some instances seem to be getting hurt a little bit at present - possibly by the fact that people in general have less spare money than perhaps they had a few months ago.

Whilst it is frustrating if you have to wait for the same two players every round, it is in all players interests to encourage new players to card rooms, and to keep them there.

Grinding, running bad :( Shock.

Internet ?

Tbh i have actually hardly played at all, compared to how I was.

Play live every week, but at the ITB game, which you havent been to but should, as should everyone else. Great venue now...

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I was tempted with the £100 last night but got in at 745 and couldnt be bothered to rush about... Might venture up in the near future.

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£10 rebuy tonight, good crack... Come along!

Ah ! so thats where u'v all been..Mondays bad night for me but we will see...Gluck to u and ur dad with it

Personally I think it's rare to see people play tournaments that they can't afford to lose.  It's much more common in cash games as people will reload to chase. 

If people can afford to lose the tournament entry, then I think it's a positive thing to get as many new people into live card rooms, even if they don't yet have the skill sets to win.  It's really the only way to learn - I was diabolical when I first started playing live, but I could afford the buy in, so was happy to treat it as an investment. 

No probs, Fridays too. This week is our best game of the month.

let them waste their money :) imo

It's not really the only way to learn.  I'd say that a lot of new players would be far better learning a lot of their skills and getting experience on the internet, rather than diving straight into live games with tables full of experienced players.

Of course the only way you'll improve on the elements that are unique to live play is to play live, but surely 80% of the skills you need are the same online and live?

I think this point is worth defending, i live in the wrong place in the world for good live action, so i only play big live tourneys, i certainly dont have as much live experience as most. I play high stakes cash games on line so therefore i am not interested in playing for small stakes tourneys. Yes it takes a bit of getting used to ( live) but dont assume because we can be a bit stuttery in a live game that we are not good players with a lot of poker experience.

I'm not sure some people would have the objective of 'learning' poker.

There are people with a bit of spare money who want a social game of cards.
And those people are generally much nicer table companions than the nit-pickers and know it alls.

I don't think the distinction between live and online really matters.  If a rookie is playing at £100 + buy in level, it will almost certainly be dealer dealt, so a good dealer will keep a novice abreast of his options if he is ever unsure.

I thought the discussion was merely whether rookies should jump in at medium stake buy ins.  My point is if they can afford to write off the expenditure, then of course they should be made welcome.

If the argument was whether an experienced online player should jump straight in at higher buy ins live, the the answer has to be yes.  Would you expect Durrrr ,for example, to play a £10 rebuy, just because he hadn't played live much (until last year)?

Not sure I go along with that. Most of the more experienced players I've come across are the best craic at the table and more than happy to help out the newbies.
The rookies are the ones that tend to take it too seriously imo. They've seen it on TV, players sat there stoically, and think they should do the same, as in sit and not say a word, so as 'not to give away any tells'. What a crock.
No word of a lie, I played the Tuesday night rookie tournament in Luton a while back with a mate and, as we pulled into the car park, a guy was getting out of his car wearing iPod, baseball cap, shades and hoody top. Albeit the hoody bit wasn't up at that point. They behave the way they think poker players are supposed to behave and are no value at the table.

I'm not saying all experienced players are like this - but there are those that don't like change, and do everything they can to make new players feel uncomfortable.

I must admit I save my true game face for the higher end stuff

In answer to the original question, new players to the game will have no concept of bankroll or anything close. So if they have £100 to give a tourney a shot they will.

Basically the argument is that they reduce your enjoyment of playing live cos they are not sociable and are not up to speed with live etiquette (which no one is really until you have played a few times). I think its far more constructive to try and help/encourage newbies to learn/enjoy the game then criticising them, when they don't know any better. It will help your EV anyway to have a happy ship, a la Daniel Negrenau table presence. It is not like most of the old school regulars are a barell laughs in most cases anyway in my experience.

lol @ people complaining about new players giving waning to give them more money.

If only you were around long enough for anyone to witness it...
What's it like leaving Luton in daylight?

The diminishing sun over Luton Broadway is truly a sight to behold and imo well worth £110 buy in to see it...as you did Wednesday Mr Chompy   rotflmfao ;nana;

you can't beat having a conversation with someone wearing an ipod.....the best fun ever. Just make sure that during the conversation you don't speak until they put the headphones back on.........just the best entertainment.

You can also ask who they are listening to and give a critique of what you think of that singer or band. Particularly fun if you have never heard of the artist concerned.

Also if they are new new a kind word should always be proferred. Of course once they are like Seb they are fair game, No excuse for playing lots and still colluding through ignorance.

The more new players the better is what I say

Is this nothing to do with you needing to change your game to adapt to them? Stating that you don't like it cos you can't put them on a hand is very lol.
As to them being unsociable, think a lot of the time they are just new to the live game and intimidated by the regulars, who tend to moan non stop.

apologies - i know i've only been going for a few months once every now and again but i am trying to get better!!

give me another 2 years and i'll have you running for cover :) (though that may be the smell more than anything)

Adapting to them is easy...u cant bluff them so u need a hand at showdown and use position against them as they always need to hit to play..its the random hands they play that luck out on you that r the difficult ones
I think i can just about handle them....
In general most of the g regulars are quite friendly and even up to the hundred pound buyins early doors the banter is quite jovial...there r a few miserable sods but u get that anywhere...we welcome newbies and their money...