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£250 Luton  10K Starting 45min Clock... 2 day event

blinds 100 200

EP with 25K raises to 800  2 callers me SB    Ac Kc... I have played extremely tight in the first few levels this is perhaps only the fourth hand i have played..I reraise to 3200  original raiser confidently moves me allin....other 2 pass

I still have over 7K blinds 100-200


Call or Fold

Looks like a call to me unless original raiser is a total nit who does with aa and kk only. You are getting nearly 2 to 1, so if his range inc qq that is the right odds.

If i rr that much pre i deffo snap call a shove. Probs i make it 2200 and call/fold depending on player (only person i might fold to is tighty).

Now u see boys is this the way to play a 2 day tournament ???

im racing at best pos dominated with 35 BB lleft and a long structure with low blinds..... is calling my whole tournament in this situation in these conditions a good play...i dont think so... i got my answer by a very quick and confident re re raise. allin I know im up against a big made hand. the beautiful thing about this game is that there is no exact way to play which is correct....

A preponsity to over play an unmade hand that is possibly crushed is a sign of a cash or internet player not a tourney player..why race here at this point of the tournament..why in such a rush to get 10k in the middle with ace high???.

As an example in the Jan main event facing young Ben vinson i 3 betted AQ on a rag queen high flop and got moved in for my tourney...i know Ben is capable of doing this with air but his demeanour screamed strength ..i finally passed even though i had a lot of children in the pot and odds wise it wouldnt have been a bad call...i then went on to win the event

i still have plenty of chips with a good enough game to easily come back and figure i can find a better spot and do not need to squander my whole tourney on such a gamble.....which i do 1 orbit later catching Jeff Buff of all people making a move as a 3-1 fav....which i lose lol.

im crippled to 1200 but good enough to come back to 6k b4 getting cold decked in an unraised pot..but im running bad at mo lol

Im not sure why you have posted this hand then to be honest.

As

1) You appear to be suggesting that you had a monster read which no one on this forum can obtain by reading the op.

2) You wanted to go on some sermon about how all us "internet" players can't play tourneys (we do have tourneys on the internet you know) and don't understand subtle stuff like "you only have ace high" and "i can wait for a better spot, coz iz has skillz 35bb deep to kill this tourney".

If you are thinking about folding then why RR so much.

Turning your hand into a bluff is terrible in this spot imo, If im squeezing im calling a shove unless its against beth shak who starts high fiving other players and dancing while im thinking about it. You may as well have 72o if you are going to RR fold the original raiser

Flat calling is probably the route I go down, fairly early in the tournament with nno antes and the raise coming from early position. If u hit your hand its fairly well disgusied and you should be able to extract a fair amount of value from weaker Ax or Kx holdings.

just my 2 cents but im just an internet player that has a propensity to overplay an unmade hand

That made me chuckle.

I can see what you're saying about only having ace high but if that's your opinion then why would you reraise to 16 BBs with it?

What flop were you hoping to see or were you just trying to steal his raise?

If I put a third of my stack in I'm not doing it with anything that I'm not snap calling a shove with, that's a sure fire way of giving away chips.

You also say you're "racing at best". What's wrong with a race when you're getting 2 to 1 on your money?

Definite lecture / brag post imo  ;)

+ a bad beat at the end to cap it off......... ;whistle;

 ;applause;

I am a tournament player, my preference is for the live game, and I would call here. The scenario of the push must surely have been considered before the re-raise was made, and so if i'm raising here it means I have already addressed and answered that question. If I am not sure how I would answer this question I would just call and answer it after the flop. Your oppos confidence in his hand could be down to him having Q-Q or A-K for e.g. Or his confidence in his hand could stem from the fact that your 4X the raise bet is too big for a powerhouse hand. Re-squeezing early with confidence vs a tight oppo's likely A-K with 4-4 is actually a move we should all aspire to.

sicilian, your strat is a puzzler for me. You have quite a negative attitude towards A-K in your second post and this makes me wonder why you put a third of your stack in with it? There are indeed a lot of negatives and I agree with all of them. It is early, you are oop, there is a good deal of ep interest, you have time....so why did you raise? If you don't like overplaying an unmade hand why did you overplay one? I don't get it. While overcommitting to a hand may be bad in tournament poker it is still better than sitting on the fence.

Pab's post was very good and I choose the call route as well. There are a lot of reasons why I choose this strat, some of which he mentioned. But one thing is for certain. If I raise here I have already decided to commit to a push despite what my spidey senses tell me when my oppo applies maximum pressure. Your oppos confidence balances your doubt quite nicely imo.

I like this a lot.

Expect a big complaint when I try it and it goes all wrong  ;D

Call for me. If you're gonna make it 3200 then pass that's weak IMO. Get it in. Your gambling probably.

I can see all what you say..and perhaps theres a bit more background to it that i pointed out...first the ep is well known to me and reknown for raising light also one of the callers is reknown for calling reraises light..i guess in my mind i wanted to take the pot down there and then and was totally taken by surprise by the re re raise ..very quick very confident...  also have run so bad since vegas confidence is fairly low and OP was written after returning..

Personally the re raise might have been a bit heavy but even so i feel the fold was the best play especially as i got my money in a little later as a large fav...

The problem was that you looked so uncomfortable re-raising it was looked reasonably certain you would fold to a re-re-raise. I like the move if you are prepared to shove to another raise otherwise why raise? I think this highlights a common poker problem where players don't think through the consequence of any action they take.

as an aside can i take it you will be folding to any re-raise unless you hold  AA?   :)

The whole thing was situational...sunday night..wednesday night..insta call..but ive still got 7.5 k in a long slow structure...and sure enough a few hand later i get all my chips in as a massive favourite...which obv i lose..

cmon compo uv only witnessed a few of the beatings ive taken lately its no wonder im trigger shy  LOL

This might be a fold because its a Live game so the club cards are black and jus look dull.

Online, they are green and look amazing like this:  Ac Kc, so this hand would be totally unfoldable.

Rubdown from Compo. Quality.

Thought i was running bad b4...how little i knew

ur right there so preeeeeety...wot was i thinking

If the raiser is known to you sicilian then it stands to reason that you are known to the raiser. Compo is spot on because if you overbet the raise in order to visibly take it down there and then don't be surprised if this attitude is jumped on by a decent player. If you are known to be capable of this sort of fold decent players will be asking you to make it a lot. If you choose to swing the big stick with the A-K and then drop the big stick and run away like a girl when someone stands up to you then choosing the big stick strat is pointless.

If you don't decide to call an all-in when you're not in the pressure cooker of an all-in decision then you might loose your cool when you are in one and look for an excuse to fold. In this example you say you're oppos quick confident actions show you he has a monster. If I knew you and knew you could fold a big hand why would I act quickly and confidently with A-A? I would be delighted you raised and would reluctantly push to make sure of the call, not push with confidence and risk a fold.

Blimey, this is news to me, first I've heard of it all...day.
I thought I heard Nick Slade say he won it on TV the other night?

salt in wound, u git!

we all know what someone sez isnt always correct...trphy on my mantlepiece..was still leading he offered deal...subject closed until the next time i decide to insert as mild brag

Nun - "run away like a girl" only really serves to demonstrate what an admirable attitude the fairer sex has towards violence. It is not clever to be swinging big sticks at people and girls know this because they are smarter than men.

Story please.

+1

Don't think Pab meant it was him but was referring to this piece of nonsense.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=m_idnY8czeQ&feature=related

so wanted a king on flop  hellmuth wasjust as bad

If he had've took a second to look at either player it was probably the easiest fold he would ever have to make with KK ffs she was prancing around shouting "i got it" ph is " i called in a 1/4 sec" you  fold and then get to mock them for the rest of the ft for being such imbeciles.

his call was ridic, I would have mucked em face up told them they were fucking morons and watched them go on life tilt because of their mistake.

that was ridic, The TD should have done something there IMHO. Although ESPN would probably have him sacked if he did.

To the OP:

Do you win @ poker?

Do you always base your analysis on the results?

You are local at luton i believe, would you be willing to play an 'internet player' hu during the GPT festival?

Well? Do ya? Eh? Do ya wanna play?

 ;m3boy;

Weee HU4Rollz, if this happens blonde should include it in their updates imo.

 ;popcorn; ;boldie; ;popcorn; ;boldie;

+1 they are both twats...not that there was ever any doubt in Hellmuth's case.

BTW would love to see the HU game :)

hu4rollz fever!

Brett Ritchie should be taken outside and shot like a dog for making that call. I wonder how much more information one person would need before they managed to find the pokerstar in them and fold?

Do i even justify this with an intelligent response ?

if you are capable of said response, then go for it.

Sigh....

Yes i am a winning player.

Is there another way to analyse other than on results..maybe Ive misunderstood the question

I don't think i need to lower myself to the mentality of an 8 year old playground dweller..... i merely commented on my opinion ( which I'm entitled to ) that a lot of young internet players over play certain hands in certain situations..that is not putting all internet players in the same stereo type as i am one of them.
I m sure ur a much better player than I am James..however i don't feel the need to prove it

Fight fight fight fight

wot u doing up chompy? dont tell me u almost finalled luton?

Of course, I make 94% of final tables at Luton

u forgot decimal point...   .94%   ;D

no sir, thats the only way! pick out what happens, and then decide the best course of action. The hindsight style of poker theory is oft underestimated.

whats the book on this? I make flushy 10-1 outsider, odds that short purely because sicilian could be blinded by flushies choice of shirt.

rotflmfao

Hmm, difficult one to price up this, wouldn't like to call it. We'd need an independent witness, though, as The Sicilian has a history of claiming victory when he's actually finished second...

 ;sleep;

lolz you owned us hard with this level