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PokerStars Game #19117634101: Tournament #96580211, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/07/26 - 13:38:41 (ET)
Table '96580211 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: MaudM (1755 in chips)
Seat 2: mosketta (5707 in chips)
Seat 3: abco22 (18106 in chips)
Seat 4: swing x x (3281 in chips)
Seat 5: BIgguy074 (14524 in chips)
Seat 6: bombalj (5025 in chips)
Seat 7: Ambrosius999 (4523 in chips)
Seat 8: porty32 (10354 in chips)
Seat 9: Psychout (4882 in chips)
abco22: posts small blind 50
swing x x: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to porty32 [9c 9s]
BIgguy074: calls 100
bombalj: folds
Ambrosius999: folds
porty32: raises 300 to 400
Psychout: folds
MaudM: folds
mosketta: folds
abco22: folds
swing x x: folds
BIgguy074: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [2d Ad 4c]
BIgguy074: checks
porty32: bets 500
BIgguy074: calls 500
*** TURN *** [2d Ad 4c] [9h]
BIgguy074: checks
porty32: bets 700
BIgguy074: raises 1300 to 2000
porty32: raises 2000 to 4000
BIgguy074: raises 9624 to 13624 and is all-in
porty32: ???

We call..and are delighted to be able to do so..in fact...we'd almost already be dancing nakes across the room while clicking the call button.

This was the stars $11 deepstack matey in the hand had limped into almost every pot called most raises then would pass or shove not seen him get to many showdowns.

Am i missing something?

Starts with a c ends in a l.

you only fear Aces (which he surely doesn't have?) or 3-5...he is much more likely to have pocket 2's or 4's here than the Aces or 3-5.

what do you mean by what next, you raised pre, he should have some sort of hand to call you, You turn the second set and there is a FD and possible straight out there. I am ruling out the straight tbh with the preflop raise.

Shovel the chips in and fist pump when he shows A 9.

That call is quite easy imho.

Perhaps you should explain what you find difficult about the call.

You walk past a big bag of money in the street. Do you a) keep it b) run away because you saw that film No Country For Old Men where some guy found a bag of money and ended up dead.

porty32: INSTAcalls 5454 and is all-in FIST PUMPS AND SHOUTS SEND IT!!!
Uncalled bet (4170) returned to BIgguy074
*** RIVER *** [2d Ad 4c 9h] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIgguy074: shows [3h 5h] (a straight, Ace to Five)
porty32: shows [9c 9s] (three of a kind, Nines)
BIgguy074 collected 20858 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20858 | Rake 0
Board [2d Ad 4c 9h 7c]
Seat 1: MaudM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mosketta (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: abco22 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: swing x x (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: BIgguy074 showed [3h 5h] and won (20858) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 6: bombalj folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Ambrosius999 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: porty32 showed [9c 9s] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 9: Psychout folded before Flop (didn't bet)

50p on its way I was just interested to see if anyone could put him on a hand that was beating us!

Infact its not even a bad beat its just a terrible cooler!  that I hit my set and the retard has limped then called a raise with 3 5

ffs mate, he was a moronic fuckwit, Idiot call pre, he got lucky and you paid him ( as you should btw )

I should point out I recall several instances live where you have sone the very same to people. It happens mate and you had the redrraw for the river too.

that is the funniest thing you've ever said Mantis..that cracked me up :)

+1 quality imo

Slow dooooon a mo, why is this man a moron again?


The chappy in question put in an extra 300 pre flop to potentially win 10k?

I thought he played the hand perfectly tbh.

well, his utg limp wasn't too great tbh

If he plays almost every hand, why do you need to see showdowns to know his pre-flop range?

When he re-re-re-raised you, you should have probably figured 3-5 was a possibility. Call maybe, but leave the fist pumping out.

Preflop its such an ugly play IMHO, he obv tapped in to the luckbox lever and flopped it. We have all made the wrong move at some point and recieved a concussion from the deck.

The turn card is just

But post he played it to perfection, the turn is just to put Gary on life tilt

Can't see anything wrong with oppos pre flop play at all. It's cost him 400 of his 14.5k stack to potentially get paid handsomely. I'd say the implied odds here against a raiser are pretty awesome and more than justify his 300 extra that it cost him. He's looking for straights, flushes and two pair / trips against an overpair to get paid.

If he doesn't hit he can get away and he's left with 14k. Hardly a dent.

As the hand panned out it was a cooler and there was no escape. If you manage to find a fold then you're sh1t so no problem just get on with the next tournament.

WP, UL, GG etc.........

lol how is calling 300 with 35 soooted bad?

Pot meet kettle ;)

Because he should've raised with it!!!

At least then if he misses he can represent  :)

Agreed i would rather see him open for 250/300 but i guess its ok to limp when the standard is probably poor like a $10 comp

Suited connectors from EP are the nutsssssssssss

Raised to 325 from UTG at Luton y'day... obv flop 235. Rigged

I may have been hasty here. He's UTG so limp is probably acceptable. If you raise to 300 then get repopped to 1100 your implied odds are slashed dramatically and it's not an easy call. In fact I'd say it's a fold. Your not raising to steal in these tournaments so you need to see the flop.

I would say limping to call a 4 x raise is a decent idea from this position.

Breathes a sigh of relief. The sense has arrived.

I have to say this is one of the best PHA threads I've seen.

I'd never think of playing 35 suited UTG and calling a raise with it - I only ever seem to get busted by people with hands like that.

Can I ask a question though, if the raise to 400 isn't enough to get 35 suited to fold, what sort of raise should you make to get him to fold without it being a ridiculous over-bet?? (I know the answer is dependant on stack-size etc. but in general term if the blinds are 100/200 and say both player had about 5k).

Why do you want him to fold?
I'm happy he's putting money in the pot when I have the best hand.

because after the flop you don't!! but it's hard to see how stuff like 2nd best trips on a fairly raggy board after the turn are not ahead as you aren't putting opponent on Aces and how can you read them as on 35.

on an A 2 4 9 board (no flush) with pocket 9's, could you find a fold to a re-raise all-in from a UTG caller to your pre-flop raise to 4BB's?

Therefore I'd rather get hands like 3-5 out of the equation pre-flop.

I don't think you understand completely here. If he limps at 100/200 playing 5k then I think that is pretty awful.

Posted by: GlasgowBandit

The mistake pre-flop if there is one is Bandit's standard raise. If this guy is limping light and calling most raises then charging him the standard price is a play that can be improved upon. We don't want him to fold and it doesn't look like he does if we charge him more...so charge the fecker more.

Sometimes you have to go broke, don't look to avoid the cold decks just look to open your oppo's range.

I'm not adverse to a wee bit of creative play as anyone who has played against me would vouch to.  I like mixing it up with suited connectors in position or not.  But to limp call a raise with 3h 5h UTG is IMO nothing short of stupid!!

Obviously I am pissed because I happened to go broke while building a nice stack and playing almost perfect poker for 2hrs! 

Usually yes. Unless the stack sizes relative to the blinds make the implied odds massive and such a move viable.

This is the case here. You got unlucky, your opponent did not play his hand badly though. (He might well be a bad player, but he did not play this hand badly.)

Even if it was a slightly bad play, it certainly was not a stupid play.

Posted by: thetank

If this hand was highlighted as demonstrating creativity in the midst of many well played hands you would have a strong point tank. As it stands the hand was played out in unison with every other bad hand that had been limp-called by this classic retard. If you play every hand badly it is possible you will stumble across a strat that can be interpreted as enlightened. Context is an important factor and so this weakens your point somewhat. However your point is still true.

Cool, I just wanted to be on his side in case he was googling his username one day and thought everyone at the blondeforum was racialist.

Spot on. Limping 25 BBs deep is very different to doing it 145 BBs deep which is what the oppo was in this case.

Anybody who has accumulated this many chips by the 4th level has got to be very loose and must've played almost every hand. He's hit lucky a few times but that's what he's banking on.

The difficulty playing against this guy is that you'll never know what he's got. He's rarely going to pay you off nicely but he will occassionally break you. Very tough oppo tbh.

Best strategy against this type of player is to raise or reraise him large. If you've got 99+ or AK you're justified in shoving the lot in because his calling range will include several pairs below you and probably A10 maybe even A9.

It's risky but it can get you paid off. Stand up to him when he's stacked because he'll happily take a race to accumulate which is what you need to do in these tourneys.

Just be carefully shoving if there's loads left to act because they might call you as well  :)

Hmmm.very interesting points here.passed a few minutes of my tea break.take consolation gary in provoking a good debate.well worth the fiver imo.next time can u post one of ur coolers that u regularly inflict.lol

Coolers?  Me?  i wish.