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Title: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: chrisbruce on July 29, 2008, 11:01:51 AM about 25 hands into a heads up game that has had a lot of pre flop aggression.
I feel i should be able to get away from stacking off here but at what point should I of folded? ***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 391603619 ***** NL $2.50/$5 Texas Hold'em - Monday, July 28, 22:37:28 GMT 2008 Table Berlin 157 2-max (Real Money) Seat 1 is the button Total number of active players : 2 Seat 1: MrMiami ( $623.62 ) Seat 2: Hitandrun ( $529 ) MrMiami posts small blind [$2.50] Hitandrun posts big blind [$5] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Hitandrun [ Js, Jc ] MrMiami raises to [$15] Hitandrun raises to [$45] MrMiami raises to [$162] Hitandrun calls [$117] ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 2c, 9s ] Hitandrun checks MrMiami bets [$162] Hitandrun goes all-in Hitandrun raises to [$367] MrMiami calls [$205] ** Showdown ** MrMiami shows [ Kh, Kc ] Hitandrun shows [ Js, Jc ] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ] ** Dealing River ** [ 4c ] ** Hand Conclusion ** MrMiami wins $1,057 from main pot with a pair of Kings ************ Game 391603619 ends ************ Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: TheChipPrince on July 29, 2008, 11:13:10 AM Without a very very very solid read and history on the player i'm not folding at any point here...
Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: boldie on July 29, 2008, 11:19:26 AM Without a very very very solid read and history on the player i'm not folding at any point here... +1 Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: Newmanseye on July 29, 2008, 11:30:38 AM When you re-raised and were re- re-raised, What range do you have him on here?
Preflop its a pretty bold statement, preflop I am giving him credit for a hand. If this was Live, I am probably folding pre, Given its online I make the call because I dont have the time to work through the hand I am calling and donking it off. I await abuse. Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: jakally on July 29, 2008, 02:59:50 PM Chris, I think you either fold to the final reraise PF or go with it. Calling pre then folding at any point after would be very bad. Ranging a 4 bet as ahead of JJ is purely opponent / game dynamics dependent, but HU JJ is massive and many opponents will play this strong 99+, AQ+ (or lighter). Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: Longy on July 29, 2008, 03:13:45 PM Chris, I think you either fold to the final reraise PF or go with it. Calling pre then folding at any point after would be very bad. Ranging a 4 bet as ahead of JJ is purely opponent / game dynamics dependent, but HU JJ is massive and many opponents will play this strong 99+, AQ+ (or lighter). +1 Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: snoopy1239 on July 29, 2008, 04:11:35 PM If there has been a lot of aggression preflop, and this pattern of preflop raises has occurred before, then the hand is a bit of a cooler. If not, and this sequence of events is a rarity, then you should make up your mind whether you're going to fold or not preflop. Calling the final raise and seeing a flop out of position doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: action man on July 30, 2008, 04:20:27 AM LOL at you getting any action with a name like hitandrun in HU cash.
If you fold this at any point you will be exploaitable in hu cash imo Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: chrisbruce on July 30, 2008, 11:35:40 AM Thanks for the comments.
I am still undecided about this hand but obv hard not to stack here. Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: TheChipPrince on July 30, 2008, 11:52:13 AM Thanks for the comments. I am still undecided about this hand but obv hard not to stack here. At what point do you think you could have made a different decision? Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: Rupert on July 30, 2008, 05:46:22 PM I'd shove pre or fold pre. Honestly with reads I could fold this preflop but after 25 hands i'd have a tough time doing so especially if you've been actively 3 betting him. I think shoving pre is far superior to flatting since the lower part of his range is still going to have decent equity vs you (big queens/kings/aces) and any big pair is going in after the flop anyway. If your intention is to call and shut down on any ace/king high flop then you should get it in pre or fold preflop. Given that you've called, folding on that flop would be epically exploitable. Villain would just 4 bet you every hand (since you don't even shove jacks!) and then bet every single flop (since you're considering folding jacks!). But ya, its a cooler whatever, ul
Title: Re: Heads up cash - at what point should I have folded? Post by: AlexMartin on July 30, 2008, 05:53:03 PM I'd shove pre or fold pre. Honestly with reads I could fold this preflop but after 25 hands i'd have a tough time doing so especially if you've been actively 3 betting him. I think shoving pre is far superior to flatting since the lower part of his range is still going to have decent equity vs you (big queens/kings/aces) and any big pair is going in after the flop anyway. If your intention is to call and shut down on any ace/king high flop then you should get it in pre or fold preflop. Given that you've called, folding on that flop would be epically exploitable. Villain would just 4 bet you every hand (since you don't even shove jacks!) and then bet every single flop (since you're considering folding jacks!). But ya, its a cooler whatever, ul this is gooooood. |