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Title: This one from last night has been on my mind
Post by: Graham C on August 09, 2008, 04:16:34 PM
NL50

I'm on the button and am dealt  9h 9d.  The cut off raises the pot ($1.75)

Should I call, fold or 3 bet here?

I felt that 9's whilst not the strongest, were worthy of a flop but only called.  Pot $4.25

Flop  2s 7d 8d

Original raiser leads out for $3.50

What would you do here?  I min raised to $7 (bad play I guess) to imply the strength of the over pair but looking back it's far to weak to get rid of anyone.

Turn  Td

Pot currently $19.25 and he leads out for $16.50

What do you do now?  Open ended straight flush draw and second pair but obv he may have a flush already.  Is it an obvious fold?


Title: Re: This one from last night has been on my mind
Post by: Newmanseye on August 09, 2008, 07:46:23 PM
reading this you seem to play it quite passively, I would have re raised more on the flop, say to $11. on the turn with the SF draw I am probably jamming it in and doing the Hail Mary he does not have the diamond draw too.



Some more info though, how  has the villain been playing up to this point?  would he play AH / AQ the same way?

does he recognise the strong play and lay down accordingly?

If its yes to all of the above I stick by my line.


Title: Re: This one from last night has been on my mind
Post by: jezza777 on August 09, 2008, 08:07:36 PM
6 Handed?

Reraise pre for sure, flat call flop , shove turn. Please dont min raise.


Title: Re: This one from last night has been on my mind
Post by: Graham C on August 09, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
he was playing about 20/14 at this point but as far as I'd seen, not been challenged much.


Min raise was bad


Title: Re: This one from last night has been on my mind
Post by: mondatoo on August 09, 2008, 09:21:46 PM
As you said in your op your min raise was not good. However, I don't mind the call pre are we ever folding here ? i don't believe so, i don't really like 3 betting here either so i'd normly just call.The flop is perfect for our 99(unless he has an o/p obv) and i would then rr more $11 sounds ok.I also like the shove play on the turn as if he does have an overpair he may not have the diamond so we've got a load of outs if he does call with QQ-AA.


Title: Re: This one from last night has been on my mind
Post by: LuckyLloyd on August 09, 2008, 11:39:25 PM
I would NOT reraise the flop. You fold out all of the range you beat and are just sticking extra money in against the hands that beat you. I like a call pre, a call on the flop. As played just call the turn. We could have shoved if the action had gone differently and we had left ourselves some FE. We don't (or at least we fucking shouldn't) but we have tons of cards that potentially get us there so just call the less than pot sized bet and get the rest in on every card that improves you.

This is a messy hand and is a default decision that is difficult to play. Against good opponents we often end up folding the best hand and putting money in with the worst hand when we flop like that with our hand. However, you just do your best and try to tailor how often you call down / fold to one or two barrels to the dynamic that exists between you and specific opponents. But min raising the flop made it much, much more awkward and messy while achieving basically nothing positive for you.


Title: Re: This one from last night has been on my mind
Post by: snoopy1239 on August 10, 2008, 07:37:40 PM
This is a difficult hand to analyse without stack sizes and player notes. If the player is strong, then you may wish to 3bet here unless you have 3bet him a number of times and don't fancy being 4bet. If he's a fish, then either is fine, although I'd be tempted to call if I thought I could stack him if I hit a set.

If we assume you have no knowledge on your opponent, then I'd probably call the flop and wait to see what he does on the turn. Remember there are many dangerous turns that he'll check and allow you to represent a made hand. Having said that, I don't think reraising is disastrous, but I wouldn't be too keen to inflate the pot with such a vulnerable hand. As for the min raise, I agree, it looks like a scared raise and one that isn't sure what to do with its hand.

I don't like where we are on the turn but I might make a crying call and reassess the situation on the river. If I was out of position I would most likely give it up.