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Title: National Anthems
Post by: AlrightJack on August 13, 2008, 12:31:57 PM
The British national anthem, is IMO pants, but of these three more tuneful ones, which do the people of Blondepoker prefer?


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: tikay on August 13, 2008, 12:34:25 PM

What? WHAT?

Off with your head. NOW.



Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: AlrightJack on August 13, 2008, 12:35:06 PM

What? WHAT?

Off with your head. NOW.



lol


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: boldie on August 13, 2008, 12:36:30 PM
France by a country mile. A lovely passionate tune that inspires.

And you can't beat the irony of the French having an anthem that calls for their citizens to pick up arms.





Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Claw75 on August 13, 2008, 12:41:15 PM
France by a country mile. A lovely passionate tune that inspires.



+1

always been my favourite - really rousing


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: TightEnd on August 13, 2008, 12:41:33 PM
Italy or France, usually blaring out from the Ice cream van/baguette truck as they skidaddle form the scene of any conflict....


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: henrik777 on August 13, 2008, 12:44:57 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwsUWcK-PzY



Sandy


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 13, 2008, 01:30:11 PM

What? WHAT?

Off with your head. NOW.


Absolutely right that it's pants.  A song that is wrong for a whole plethora of reasons.  Why can't we have an anthem that is about the country and its people?

Land of Hope and Glory still has some 'issues', but it's a far better choice.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Josedinho on August 13, 2008, 01:43:47 PM
GSTQ is amazing. The greatest anthem for the greatest nation.

Italy's is the bests of the rest i reckon.

Unless you sing....OU EST LA PAPIER?


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: K9sixtwo on August 13, 2008, 02:55:59 PM
Not on the list but for my money the Soviet National anthem is the business..


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: MereNovice on August 13, 2008, 02:58:44 PM
GSTQ is totally naff.

I blame it for the appalling performances of the England football and rugby teams.
Basically, playing that dirge before an international brings the team down a couple of levels before a ball has even been kicked.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Robert HM on August 13, 2008, 03:23:52 PM
South African FTW


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: nirvana on August 13, 2008, 03:33:03 PM
Coupla months ago in 'The Times' I think there was a great article about the uniting effect of the Black Nationalist anthem for the  Boks rugby world cup winning team. Agree it's a top one.

I love the French anthem, inspiring. I love Flower of Scotland - fae my fatha.

Embarrassingly perhaps, I love the Star Spangled Banner when it isn't Star Mangled



Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Dino on August 13, 2008, 03:45:58 PM
Why does a nation as patriotic as the Americans allow their anthem to be so badly sung before sporting events.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: portfolio on August 13, 2008, 03:54:50 PM
France by a country mile. A lovely passionate tune that inspires.

And you can't beat the irony of the French having an anthem that calls for their citizens to pick up arms.





if u like it soooooooooooooo much, ask your contrymen to adopt it.


GSTQ.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: boldie on August 13, 2008, 03:57:13 PM
France by a country mile. A lovely passionate tune that inspires.

And you can't beat the irony of the French having an anthem that calls for their citizens to pick up arms.





if u like it soooooooooooooo much, ask your contrymen to adopt it.


GSTQ.

But they like Flower of Scotland too much.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Rod Paradise on August 13, 2008, 03:59:21 PM
France by a country mile. A lovely passionate tune that inspires.

And you can't beat the irony of the French having an anthem that calls for their citizens to pick up arms.





if u like it soooooooooooooo much, ask your contrymen to adopt it.


GSTQ.

But they like Flower of Scotland too much.

Emm.... I'd have Caledonia, or if we must have a warlike one - Scots Wha Hae


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Karabiner on August 13, 2008, 03:59:45 PM
Israel's national anthem always brings a tear to my eye, Ha Tikvah by a distance for me.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: gatso on August 13, 2008, 04:05:49 PM
France by a country mile. A lovely passionate tune that inspires.

And you can't beat the irony of the French having an anthem that calls for their citizens to pick up arms.





if u like it soooooooooooooo much, ask your contrymen to adopt it.


GSTQ.

nooo, you know what happened the last time his lot picked up arms


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: boldie on August 13, 2008, 04:12:05 PM
France by a country mile. A lovely passionate tune that inspires.

And you can't beat the irony of the French having an anthem that calls for their citizens to pick up arms.





if u like it soooooooooooooo much, ask your contrymen to adopt it.


GSTQ.

nooo, you know what happened the last time his lot picked up arms

It'd be easier now as the whole of Eastern Europe is empty ;)


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: nirvana on August 13, 2008, 04:15:33 PM
Star Mangled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZrK_kOk8Lw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awQlxyNV3BA&feature=related

Star Spangled ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ETrr-XHBjE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qciWEufZ2xA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GzlGMxJO7U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkI7F5u1BGY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A3VA9huIp8


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: boldie on August 13, 2008, 04:16:49 PM
Star Spangled is actually a very good anthem...if indeed Spangled.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 13, 2008, 07:10:56 PM
Amhrán na bhFiann
Les Marseilles
Himno Nacional Argentino

Are my top 3!

And althought not a national anthem I love the Barcelona club anthem too. 

El Cant del Barça - for me one of the best songs in football.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: WarBwastard on August 13, 2008, 07:21:10 PM
France by a country mile. A lovely passionate tune that inspires.

And you can't beat the irony of the French having an anthem that calls for their citizens to pick up arms.


Can't beat the rousing rendition of la Marseillaise in Escape to Victory. 

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4SJv61i6Bo

I tried to get this going at an Arsenal game once.  Not quite so rousing to be fair to me.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Newmanseye on August 13, 2008, 07:21:22 PM
Star Mangled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZrK_kOk8Lw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awQlxyNV3BA&feature=related

Star Spangled ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ETrr-XHBjE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qciWEufZ2xA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GzlGMxJO7U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkI7F5u1BGY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A3VA9huIp8
You forgot to add the best version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_nO0F4ugss&feature=related


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: wader leg on August 13, 2008, 08:12:58 PM



You forgot to add the best version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_nO0F4ugss&feature=related

You are kidding me? it sounds like someone trying to tune a cat.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: MereNovice on August 14, 2008, 12:07:20 AM



You forgot to add the best version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_nO0F4ugss&feature=related

You are kidding me? it sounds like someone trying to tune a cat.

I have to disagree with you, wader.
It is one of the most important and inspiring performances in my lifetime.
I couldn't listen to it every day but it "paints" far more than a thousand words.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Azirapheal on August 14, 2008, 08:36:52 AM
wasnt deutschland uber alles a very inspiring and patriotic tune, that may or may not have been involved with a bunch of silly old men with funny moustaches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpKRd2xQeq8


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: bolt pp on August 20, 2008, 02:11:15 PM
I noticed Kenya's National Anthem the other day was really quite good.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: thetank on August 20, 2008, 02:21:56 PM
La Marseillaise ftw


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: phatomch on August 20, 2008, 03:17:54 PM
wtf , Gstq when played well is awe inspiring and v moving.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Rod Paradise on August 20, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
wtf , Gstq when played well is awe inspiring and v moving.

Not to some, especially those old Wade was rushing to crush.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ZZZZZZZROPE on August 20, 2008, 03:52:30 PM
wtf , Gstq when played well is awe inspiring and v moving.

agree


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: EvilPie on August 20, 2008, 03:58:58 PM
wtf , Gstq when played well is awe inspiring and v moving.

+1

Unfortunately they often play it so slow the words just don't fit.

"Seeeeeennnnnnnddddddd herrrrrrrrrrr victooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrious. Haaaaaaaaappy and gloooooooooorious................"

It's just impossible to sync with the band.

Played well though and listened to properly it's a truly moving piece of work.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 20, 2008, 04:01:28 PM
Why is it moving?  I don't care about the queen, don't agree with a monarchy ruling the country, and don't believe in god.

Why not a national anthem about the country and its people?


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: thetank on August 20, 2008, 05:37:50 PM
God save oor auntie Jean
She bides in A-berdeen
She makes ice cream

One cup a-tween the four of us
Thank god there isnae more of us
God save aunt Jean


cannae mind the line I missed out


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: 77dave on August 21, 2008, 05:05:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CaSu-fnGg


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 21, 2008, 06:10:22 AM
Why is it moving?  I don't care about the queen, don't agree with a monarchy ruling the country, and don't believe in god.

Why not a national anthem about the country and its people?


The queen doesn't rule the country, but the monarchy is a major part of our country's heritage.

Every other nation on the planet is allowed to be proud of their history, why shouldn't we ?

Just get our anthem, and get Fatboy Slim to do a D&B remix of it, with Mike Skinner rapping over the top.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2008, 09:57:30 AM
Why is it moving?  I don't care about the queen, don't agree with a monarchy ruling the country, and don't believe in god.

Why not a national anthem about the country and its people?


The queen doesn't rule the country, but the monarchy is a major part of our country's heritage.

Every other nation on the planet is allowed to be proud of their history, why shouldn't we ?

Just get our anthem, and get Fatboy Slim to do a D&B remix of it, with Mike Skinner rapping over the top.

I am proud of my heritage.  Why do I need to be proud of a system of aristocracy that has ensured that those born of the correct lineage are provided with more privileges?

GSTQ celebrates this, the line "long to reign over us".  I don't want her reigning over me.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: phatomch on August 21, 2008, 10:01:11 AM
Why is it moving?  I don't care about the queen, don't agree with a monarchy ruling the country, and don't believe in god.

Why not a national anthem about the country and its people?


The queen doesn't rule the country, but the monarchy is a major part of our country's heritage.

Every other nation on the planet is allowed to be proud of their history, why shouldn't we ?

Just get our anthem, and get Fatboy Slim to do a D&B remix of it, with Mike Skinner rapping over the top.

I am proud of my heritage.  Why do I need to be proud of a system of aristocracy that has ensured that those born of the correct lineage are provided with more privileges?

GSTQ celebrates this, the line "long to reign over us".  I don't want her reigning over me.


Better her and her family than the EU decided what our country has to do.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 21, 2008, 10:47:57 AM
Why is it moving?  I don't care about the queen, don't agree with a monarchy ruling the country, and don't believe in god.

Why not a national anthem about the country and its people?


The queen doesn't rule the country, but the monarchy is a major part of our country's heritage.

Every other nation on the planet is allowed to be proud of their history, why shouldn't we ?

Just get our anthem, and get Fatboy Slim to do a D&B remix of it, with Mike Skinner rapping over the top.

I am proud of my heritage.  Why do I need to be proud of a system of aristocracy that has ensured that those born of the correct lineage are provided with more privileges?

GSTQ celebrates this, the line "long to reign over us".  I don't want her reigning over me.

Not trying to start an argument, but what do you consider to be your heritage ?

( And I promise not to make any gags about the Queen 'raining' over you  :o )


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2008, 10:49:29 AM
Why is it moving?  I don't care about the queen, don't agree with a monarchy ruling the country, and don't believe in god.

Why not a national anthem about the country and its people?


The queen doesn't rule the country, but the monarchy is a major part of our country's heritage.

Every other nation on the planet is allowed to be proud of their history, why shouldn't we ?

Just get our anthem, and get Fatboy Slim to do a D&B remix of it, with Mike Skinner rapping over the top.

I am proud of my heritage.  Why do I need to be proud of a system of aristocracy that has ensured that those born of the correct lineage are provided with more privileges?

GSTQ celebrates this, the line "long to reign over us".  I don't want her reigning over me.

Not trying to start an argument, but what do you consider to be your heritage ?

What my ancestors did - don't you?  Some of it I'm proud of, I bet there'd be some of it that is shameful as well.

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( And I promise not to make any gags about the Queen 'raining' over you  :o )

Yes, I thought about that when I typed it.  Not a pretty image is it?


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: phatomch on August 21, 2008, 11:03:37 AM
Im proud of what our tiny island has done and our contribution to this world, I think Great Britain has made the most of a impact on the world than any other country


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 21, 2008, 11:39:54 AM
Why is it moving?  I don't care about the queen, don't agree with a monarchy ruling the country, and don't believe in god.

Why not a national anthem about the country and its people?


The queen doesn't rule the country, but the monarchy is a major part of our country's heritage.

Every other nation on the planet is allowed to be proud of their history, why shouldn't we ?

Just get our anthem, and get Fatboy Slim to do a D&B remix of it, with Mike Skinner rapping over the top.

I am proud of my heritage.  Why do I need to be proud of a system of aristocracy that has ensured that those born of the correct lineage are provided with more privileges?

GSTQ celebrates this, the line "long to reign over us".  I don't want her reigning over me.

Not trying to start an argument, but what do you consider to be your heritage ?

What my ancestors did - don't you?  Some of it I'm proud of, I bet there'd be some of it that is shameful as well.

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( And I promise not to make any gags about the Queen 'raining' over you  :o )

Yes, I thought about that when I typed it.  Not a pretty image is it?

I'm pretty sure my immediate ancestors haven't done much.  I come from a long line of middling to decent achievers.  I'm sure if you go back far enough my ancestors would have been the ones working their nuts off to make sure their Knight's armour was nice and pretty when they went off into battle.

But instead of then getting their pitchfork, and rushing out to die in the cause, I'll bet they found their bunions playing up, so they had to go and have a lie down.

But the shape of this country ( Probably up until the 1st world war at a guess ) was shaped by our monarchic ancestry.  Historically our kings wandered 'round the world pillaging and murdering in the name of England.  Which is exactly what the leaders of the rest of the world wanted to do, only our guys were better at it. 

Of course colonisation is wrong.  But it wasn't considered to be wrong several hundred years ago.  I wasn't there, so I'll not judge on that score.

But Brittania did rule the waves.  Which must have been nice.

Of course the modern monarchy is outdated, outmoded, and full of useless timewasters.  But it's the best monachy in the world - powerless but good to look at.  I'd like to pay them less, but they are about the only thing giving this country it's USP today. 

As a nation, our individuality has been pretty much eroded.  Our choice seems to be between being the plaything of the Yanks, or the plaything of the French and Germans.

Queenie gives us just that one thing that they haven't got.  Without her we as a nation get swallowed up into nothingness.

( prelude to a free for all ? )


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2008, 11:53:36 AM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 21, 2008, 12:07:52 PM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


Only if you'll abolish the House of Commons, then. 

Can't stand our Gordon.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2008, 12:10:40 PM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


Only if you'll abolish the House of Commons, then. 

Can't stand our Gordon.

Irrelevant.  Our government is democratically elected - chosen by the people of the UK (although the actual democratic system we use is flawed, but that's a different argument).

House of Lords makes a mockery of 'democracy' - an elected second chamber would make more sense.  As would no monarch.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: EvilPie on August 21, 2008, 12:20:45 PM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


Abolish the Monarcy and Great Britain has nothing that sets it apart from the rest of the world.

A lot of countries are envious that we have a queen and that is proven by the vast amount of visitors they get when they travel.

Like it or not they are ambassadors for this country and when they travel they advertise us and bring prosperity to the nation.

No other nation thinks that we should get rid of the Monarchy. It is just British people who don't like them and I can't understand why? Maybe it's jealousy. Brits in general don't like to see anyone who apparently wields more power than they do.

I'm happy to be a subject of my Queen. It's not like she's going to ask me to lay down my life for her. She doesn't ring me up every now and again demanding that I kneel for a minute or two.

Believe me whatever they cost the nation the Monarchy are a bargain.

(Apart from Edward of course)


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 21, 2008, 12:50:02 PM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


Only if you'll abolish the House of Commons, then. 

Can't stand our Gordon.

Irrelevant.  Our government is democratically elected - chosen by the people of the UK (although the actual democratic system we use is flawed, but that's a different argument).

House of Lords makes a mockery of 'democracy' - an elected second chamber would make more sense.  As would no monarch.


Like you say, ignoring all the flaws in our electoral system, that allows a minority choice total power, Our Gordon wasn't democratically elected, and any system that allows any old Tom Dick or Harry to suddenly become our leader ( one with the power to actually lead us to war etc, not just a figurehead like Liz ) is every bit as flawed as the idea of a monarchy.

Either keep the monarchy, or get rid of the whole system, and start again.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2008, 12:58:05 PM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


Abolish the Monarcy and Great Britain has nothing that sets it apart from the rest of the world.

Eh? We're not the only monarchy in the world.  How does it 'set us apart'?

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A lot of countries are envious that we have a queen and that is proven by the vast amount of visitors they get when they travel.

Lots of people do lots of silly things.  Doesn't mean they're right.

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Like it or not they are ambassadors for this country and when they travel they advertise us and bring prosperity to the nation.

I don't like it, and Ginger Spice has been an ambassador for the country - doesn't mean her children and her children's children should be given extra privileges, does it? 

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No other nation thinks that we should get rid of the Monarchy. It is just British people who don't like them and I can't understand why?

They are completely irrelevant to British people.  An elected president as a 'figurehead' would make far more sense.  In my opinion of course.

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Maybe it's jealousy. Brits in general don't like to see anyone who apparently wields more power than they do.

I don't like to see people placed into positions of privilege and power just because they were born in the right family.

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I'm happy to be a subject of my Queen. It's not like she's going to ask me to lay down my life for her.

Why do you want to be a subject of someone else?  Is she better than you?

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She doesn't ring me up every now and again demanding that I kneel for a minute or two.

No, she'd have to pay extra for that...

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Believe me whatever they cost the nation the Monarchy are a bargain.

I don't believe you.

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(Apart from Edward of course)

...and the rest of his family.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 21, 2008, 01:02:19 PM
Eh? We're not the only monarchy in the world.  How does it 'set us apart'?


Coz ours is best  :)up


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2008, 01:03:17 PM
Eh? We're not the only monarchy in the world.  How does it 'set us apart'?


Coz ours is best  :)up

Oh, I forgot about that.

;D



Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: EvilPie on August 21, 2008, 01:18:40 PM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


Abolish the Monarcy and Great Britain has nothing that sets it apart from the rest of the world.

Eh? We're not the only monarchy in the world.  How does it 'set us apart'?

I'm talking about the more powerful countries. We're set apart from them.

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A lot of countries are envious that we have a queen and that is proven by the vast amount of visitors they get when they travel.

Lots of people do lots of silly things.  Doesn't mean they're right.

If it's democracy you're after then unfortunately what lots of people do is right.

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Like it or not they are ambassadors for this country and when they travel they advertise us and bring prosperity to the nation.

I don't like it, and Ginger Spice has been an ambassador for the country - doesn't mean her children and her children's children should be given extra privileges, does it?

Is that the best you could come up with?     ;D

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No other nation thinks that we should get rid of the Monarchy. It is just British people who don't like them and I can't understand why?

They are completely irrelevant to British people.  An elected president as a 'figurehead' would make far more sense.  In my opinion of course.

But what if we end up with someone like George Bush? At least the Monarchy are trained from birth to be ambassadors and do and say the right things. Admittedly they make mistakes but they are human after all.

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Maybe it's jealousy. Brits in general don't like to see anyone who apparently wields more power than they do.

I don't like to see people placed into positions of privilege and power just because they were born in the right family.

You'd rather vote them in to power and privilege? What about non royals born in to money? Should they be denied it? It's not their fault.

The Monarchy goes back a long time and if you're born in to it now then yes you're privileged. Years ago you had to fight wars and get your head chopped off and things. It's a long standing family line that shouldn't be broken just because it's easier these days.

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I'm happy to be a subject of my Queen. It's not like she's going to ask me to lay down my life for her.

Why do you want to be a subject of someone else?  Is she better than you?

It's not that I want to be but I am and it's not a problem so I don't mind. I'd prefer to be a subjct of my Queen than to have someone with any background voted in to rule over me as a president.

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She doesn't ring me up every now and again demanding that I kneel for a minute or two.

No, she'd have to pay extra for that...

£1.50/m from BT landlines. Other networks may vary.

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Believe me whatever they cost the nation the Monarchy are a bargain.

I don't believe you.

Well it's true so you should

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(Apart from Edward of course)

...and the rest of his family.

Most of them probably yes. Not the Queen though. She's ace!!!


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2008, 02:29:50 PM
If only you'd put FACT after your post.  You missed your chance.

The monarchy is a bad idea, FACT.

[/end thread]


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Rod Paradise on August 21, 2008, 02:37:37 PM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


Abolish the Monarcy and Great Britain has nothing that sets it apart from the rest of the world.

Eh? We're not the only monarchy in the world.  How does it 'set us apart'?

I'm talking about the more powerful countries. We're set apart from them.

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A lot of countries are envious that we have a queen and that is proven by the vast amount of visitors they get when they travel.

Lots of people do lots of silly things.  Doesn't mean they're right.

If it's democracy you're after then unfortunately what lots of people do is right.

So the majoirty of the world come to britain to gawp at the Queen???  What LOTs do is not necessarilly right.

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Like it or not they are ambassadors for this country and when they travel they advertise us and bring prosperity to the nation.

I don't like it, and Ginger Spice has been an ambassador for the country - doesn't mean her children and her children's children should be given extra privileges, does it?

Is that the best you could come up with?     ;D

She's better than racist Phil.

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No other nation thinks that we should get rid of the Monarchy. It is just British people who don't like them and I can't understand why?

They are completely irrelevant to British people.  An elected president as a 'figurehead' would make far more sense.  In my opinion of course.

But what if we end up with someone like George Bush? At least the Monarchy are trained from birth to be ambassadors and do and say the right things. Admittedly they make mistakes but they are human after all.

WTF? We had someone like George Bush - you remember him - big cheesy grin - made a fortune leading us into needless wars - Blair I think they called him. He now lives in a stately home and we pay for his guards - while we pay for a useless figurehead and her hangers-on.

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Maybe it's jealousy. Brits in general don't like to see anyone who apparently wields more power than they do.

I don't like to see people placed into positions of privilege and power just because they were born in the right family.

You'd rather vote them in to power and privilege? What about non royals born in to money? Should they be denied it? It's not their fault.

The Monarchy goes back a long time and if you're born in to it now then yes you're privileged. Years ago you had to fight wars and get your head chopped off and things. It's a long standing family line that shouldn't be broken just because it's easier these days.

Nobody's saying disband the familly line - it's the giving them power that's wrong.

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I'm happy to be a subject of my Queen. It's not like she's going to ask me to lay down my life for her.

Why do you want to be a subject of someone else?  Is she better than you?

It's not that I want to be but I am and it's not a problem so I don't mind. I'd prefer to be a subjct of my Queen than to have someone with any background voted in to rule over me as a president.

Is Gordon Brown's background closer to yours than Lizzy's? He's the one that rules over you.

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She doesn't ring me up every now and again demanding that I kneel for a minute or two.

No, she'd have to pay extra for that...

£1.50/m from BT landlines. Other networks may vary.

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Believe me whatever they cost the nation the Monarchy are a bargain.

If the British Monarchy's a bargain - I wish I was a bargain to the country as well. The Swedish Monarchy's a bargain - ours is an extravagant waste of time.
I don't believe you.

Well it's true so you should

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(Apart from Edward of course)

...and the rest of his family.

Most of them probably yes. Not the Queen though. She's ace!!!


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Josedinho on August 21, 2008, 03:11:24 PM
Monachry ftw.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: EvilPie on August 21, 2008, 03:55:59 PM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


A lot of countries are envious that we have a queen and that is proven by the vast amount of visitors they get when they travel.

Lots of people do lots of silly things.  Doesn't mean they're right.

If it's democracy you're after then unfortunately what lots of people do is right.

So the majoirty of the world come to britain to gawp at the Queen???  What LOTs do is not necessarilly right.

In a democracy it is. The majority rule and that is that. Thankfully we have a queen who can help us out if we have a crap prime minister by sacking him. The majority select a leader but the Queen can get rid if we make a mistake.
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No other nation thinks that we should get rid of the Monarchy. It is just British people who don't like them and I can't understand why?

They are completely irrelevant to British people.  An elected president as a 'figurehead' would make far more sense.  In my opinion of course.

But what if we end up with someone like George Bush? At least the Monarchy are trained from birth to be ambassadors and do and say the right things. Admittedly they make mistakes but they are human after all.

WTF? We had someone like George Bush - you remember him - big cheesy grin - made a fortune leading us into needless wars - Blair I think they called him. He now lives in a stately home and we pay for his guards - while we pay for a useless figurehead and her hangers-on.

Thankyou for agreeing with me here. Much appreciated.

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Maybe it's jealousy. Brits in general don't like to see anyone who apparently wields more power than they do.

I don't like to see people placed into positions of privilege and power just because they were born in the right family.

You'd rather vote them in to power and privilege? What about non royals born in to money? Should they be denied it? It's not their fault.

The Monarchy goes back a long time and if you're born in to it now then yes you're privileged. Years ago you had to fight wars and get your head chopped off and things. It's a long standing family line that shouldn't be broken just because it's easier these days.

Nobody's saying disband the familly line - it's the giving them power that's wrong.

Nobody's giving them power. They already have power from the fact that they are the Monarchy. If you elect someone you give them power.

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I'm happy to be a subject of my Queen. It's not like she's going to ask me to lay down my life for her.

Why do you want to be a subject of someone else?  Is she better than you?

It's not that I want to be but I am and it's not a problem so I don't mind. I'd prefer to be a subjct of my Queen than to have someone with any background voted in to rule over me as a president.

Is Gordon Brown's background closer to yours than Lizzy's? He's the one that rules over you.

Yeah but our Liz had to swear him in and she'll soon swear him out again if he f**ks up too much.


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Believe me whatever they cost the nation the Monarchy are a bargain.

If the British Monarchy's a bargain - I wish I was a bargain to the country as well. The Swedish Monarchy's a bargain - ours is an extravagant waste of time.


They generate more in gdp than they cost so I think they are a bargain.  


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Rod Paradise on August 21, 2008, 04:29:09 PM
Abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords.  Ridiculous establishments for a modern, democratic nation.


A lot of countries are envious that we have a queen and that is proven by the vast amount of visitors they get when they travel.

Lots of people do lots of silly things.  Doesn't mean they're right.

If it's democracy you're after then unfortunately what lots of people do is right.

So the majoirty of the world come to britain to gawp at the Queen???  What LOTs do is not necessarilly right.

In a democracy it is. The majority rule and that is that. Thankfully we have a queen who can help us out if we have a crap prime minister by sacking him. The majority select a leader but the Queen can get rid if we make a mistake.
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No other nation thinks that we should get rid of the Monarchy. It is just British people who don't like them and I can't understand why?

They are completely irrelevant to British people.  An elected president as a 'figurehead' would make far more sense.  In my opinion of course.

But what if we end up with someone like George Bush? At least the Monarchy are trained from birth to be ambassadors and do and say the right things. Admittedly they make mistakes but they are human after all.

WTF? We had someone like George Bush - you remember him - big cheesy grin - made a fortune leading us into needless wars - Blair I think they called him. He now lives in a stately home and we pay for his guards - while we pay for a useless figurehead and her hangers-on.

Thankyou for agreeing with me here. Much appreciated.

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Maybe it's jealousy. Brits in general don't like to see anyone who apparently wields more power than they do.

I don't like to see people placed into positions of privilege and power just because they were born in the right family.

You'd rather vote them in to power and privilege? What about non royals born in to money? Should they be denied it? It's not their fault.

The Monarchy goes back a long time and if you're born in to it now then yes you're privileged. Years ago you had to fight wars and get your head chopped off and things. It's a long standing family line that shouldn't be broken just because it's easier these days.

Nobody's saying disband the familly line - it's the giving them power that's wrong.

Nobody's giving them power. They already have power from the fact that they are the Monarchy. If you elect someone you give them power.

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I'm happy to be a subject of my Queen. It's not like she's going to ask me to lay down my life for her.

Why do you want to be a subject of someone else?  Is she better than you?

It's not that I want to be but I am and it's not a problem so I don't mind. I'd prefer to be a subjct of my Queen than to have someone with any background voted in to rule over me as a president.

Is Gordon Brown's background closer to yours than Lizzy's? He's the one that rules over you.

Yeah but our Liz had to swear him in and she'll soon swear him out again if he f**ks up too much.


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Believe me whatever they cost the nation the Monarchy are a bargain.

If the British Monarchy's a bargain - I wish I was a bargain to the country as well. The Swedish Monarchy's a bargain - ours is an extravagant waste of time.


They generate more in gdp than they cost so I think they are a bargain.  


This is a level right? The Queen can remove the Prime Minister? You really believe that?


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: EvilPie on August 21, 2008, 05:36:41 PM

This is a level right? The Queen can remove the Prime Minister? You really believe that?


Of course she can. She owns him in the same way that she owns you.

Queeny owns everything!!!!!!

I always thought she could tbh. I know it wouldn't happen but I bet there's something that says she can. I bet if she didn't want him in the first place he wouldn't have got a look in.

She's the big cheese you know. The head honcho. The gaffer. The PM just runs things on her behalf so she can do more socialising with her friends at our expense.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
[ x ] definite level


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Claw75 on August 21, 2008, 05:47:52 PM

This is a level right? The Queen can remove the Prime Minister? You really believe that?


Of course she can. She owns him in the same way that she owns you.

Queeny owns everything!!!!!!

I always thought she could tbh. I know it wouldn't happen but I bet there's something that says she can. I bet if she didn't want him in the first place he wouldn't have got a look in.

She's the big cheese you know. The head honcho. The gaffer. The PM just runs things on her behalf so she can do more socialising with her friends at our expense.

pretty sure it's within her power, but whether she'd actually exercise it is another matter altogther.  Same as she can choose not to invite the leader of the winning party in a general election to be prime minister if she wanted.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 21, 2008, 05:50:32 PM
Cromwell FTW.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: bolt pp on August 21, 2008, 06:03:11 PM

This is a level right? The Queen can remove the Prime Minister? You really believe that?


Of course she can. She owns him in the same way that she owns you.

Queeny owns everything!!!!!!

I always thought she could tbh. I know it wouldn't happen but I bet there's something that says she can. I bet if she didn't want him in the first place he wouldn't have got a look in.

She's the big cheese you know. The head honcho. The gaffer. The PM just runs things on her behalf so she can do more socialising with her friends at our expense.

pretty sure it's within her power, but whether she'd actually exercise it is another matter altogther.  Same as she can choose not to invite the leader of the winning party in a general election to be prime minister if she wanted.

he'd still be prime minister though, she doesnt have enforcable power, it's like a traditional convention of parliament and if she we're to say "hang on i dont like that bloke" they'd tell her to piss off


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: thetank on August 21, 2008, 07:06:30 PM
I played a poker tournament with the Queen once and she finished about 14th out of 36.

She didn't know what she was doing when the blinds got big. Kept limping and then folding to a raise.
If she did hit a flop, she would never bet it, just wait for people to hit their draws and then pay them off.

Silly cow.

She got knocked out by KK in the end, which I thought was kinda funny but no-one else did. I started singing GSTQ when she picked up a gutshot on the turn, but I just got dirty looks.

The highlight of the game was when Prince Philip got outdrawn out to finish in 7th, and then took a tantrum and shot the guy in the face.

The dead guy was blinded off and finished on the bubble, but the Queen refunded his buy-in to his next of kin (which I thought was a classy touch.)



Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: MereNovice on August 21, 2008, 09:50:41 PM
I played a poker tournament with the Queen once and she finished about 14th out of 36.

She didn't know what she was doing when the blinds got big. Kept limping and then folding to a raise.
If she did hit a flop, she would never bet it, just wait for people to hit their draws and then pay them off.

Silly cow.

She got knocked out by KK in the end, which I thought was kinda funny but no-one else did. I started singing GSTQ when she picked up a gutshot on the turn, but I just got dirty looks.

The highlight of the game was when Prince Philip got outdrawn out to finish in 7th, and then took a tantrum and shot the guy in the face.

The dead guy was blinded off and finished on the bubble, but the Queen refunded his buy-in to his next of kin (which I thought was a classy touch.)




You shouldn't be posting things like that here, it's appalling


.....





... it should be in the Rail forum - that's the place for serious poker debate


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Royal Flush on August 22, 2008, 04:28:51 AM
Like you say, ignoring all the flaws in our electoral system, that allows a minority choice total power, Our Gordon wasn't democratically elected, and any system that allows any old Tom Dick or Harry to suddenly become our leader ( one with the power to actually lead us to war etc, not just a figurehead like Liz ) is every bit as flawed as the idea of a monarchy.


wow how wrong can 1 person be?

Explain to me how Mr Brown was not democratically elected.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: MereNovice on August 22, 2008, 04:40:42 AM
Like you say, ignoring all the flaws in our electoral system, that allows a minority choice total power, Our Gordon wasn't democratically elected, and any system that allows any old Tom Dick or Harry to suddenly become our leader ( one with the power to actually lead us to war etc, not just a figurehead like Liz ) is every bit as flawed as the idea of a monarchy.



wow how wrong can 1 person be?

Explain to me how Mr Brown was not democratically elected.

I probably shouldn't be answering for someone else, but I guess that the point is that Gordon Brown was not leader of the Labour party at the time of the last election. It's possible to argue that no PM is truly democratically elected since many people vote for a local candidate rather than a particular party but I don't think that is a worthwhile debate.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: thetank on August 22, 2008, 05:43:55 AM
Flushy for Mod Queen


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Royal Flush on August 22, 2008, 06:31:33 AM
Like you say, ignoring all the flaws in our electoral system, that allows a minority choice total power, Our Gordon wasn't democratically elected, and any system that allows any old Tom Dick or Harry to suddenly become our leader ( one with the power to actually lead us to war etc, not just a figurehead like Liz ) is every bit as flawed as the idea of a monarchy.



wow how wrong can 1 person be?

Explain to me how Mr Brown was not democratically elected.

I probably shouldn't be answering for someone else, but I guess that the point is that Gordon Brown was not leader of the Labour party at the time of the last election. It's possible to argue that no PM is truly democratically elected since many people vote for a local candidate rather than a particular party but I don't think that is a worthwhile debate.

Errm every PM is democratically elected.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: MereNovice on August 22, 2008, 07:19:43 AM
Like you say, ignoring all the flaws in our electoral system, that allows a minority choice total power, Our Gordon wasn't democratically elected, and any system that allows any old Tom Dick or Harry to suddenly become our leader ( one with the power to actually lead us to war etc, not just a figurehead like Liz ) is every bit as flawed as the idea of a monarchy.



wow how wrong can 1 person be?

Explain to me how Mr Brown was not democratically elected.

I probably shouldn't be answering for someone else, but I guess that the point is that Gordon Brown was not leader of the Labour party at the time of the last election. It's possible to argue that no PM is truly democratically elected since many people vote for a local candidate rather than a particular party but I don't think that is a worthwhile debate.

Errm every PM is democratically elected.

Oh dear, I know that I shouldn't be starting this but I can't help myself.

Strictly speaking only the MPs are democratically elected. The majority party then forms a government and the leader of that party is PM. In some cases, in a hung parliament, deals are done to work out a working majority with the support of one or more other parties - otherwise another election is held. So the leader of a minority party could be PM. This is leaving aside the tricky issue of whether people actually vote for their local candidate, the party or the leader of that party. The way that the leader of the party is determined varies depending on the party but this is always by a small percentage of the population, typically only members of the party would vote. In Gordon Brown's case no other candidates stood for election as leader of the Labour party so nobody got to vote for him. So, IMHO, it would be difficult to say that he was democratically elected.

Typically, presidents could be said to be elected democratically, since people vote directly for them - however, in the case of a vice-president taking over the reins in the event of assassination, for example, even this would not be true.

I know that I'm going to regret posting this - sorry.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: EvilPie on August 22, 2008, 09:09:51 AM
Like you say, ignoring all the flaws in our electoral system, that allows a minority choice total power, Our Gordon wasn't democratically elected, and any system that allows any old Tom Dick or Harry to suddenly become our leader ( one with the power to actually lead us to war etc, not just a figurehead like Liz ) is every bit as flawed as the idea of a monarchy.



wow how wrong can 1 person be?

Explain to me how Mr Brown was not democratically elected.

I probably shouldn't be answering for someone else, but I guess that the point is that Gordon Brown was not leader of the Labour party at the time of the last election. It's possible to argue that no PM is truly democratically elected since many people vote for a local candidate rather than a particular party but I don't think that is a worthwhile debate.

Errm every PM is democratically elected.

Oh dear, I know that I shouldn't be starting this but I can't help myself.

Strictly speaking only the MPs are democratically elected. The majority party then forms a government and the leader of that party is PM. In some cases, in a hung parliament, deals are done to work out a working majority with the support of one or more other parties - otherwise another election is held. So the leader of a minority party could be PM. This is leaving aside the tricky issue of whether people actually vote for their local candidate, the party or the leader of that party. The way that the leader of the party is determined varies depending on the party but this is always by a small percentage of the population, typically only members of the party would vote. In Gordon Brown's case no other candidates stood for election as leader of the Labour party so nobody got to vote for him. So, IMHO, it would be difficult to say that he was democratically elected.

Typically, presidents could be said to be elected democratically, since people vote directly for them - however, in the case of a vice-president taking over the reins in the event of assassination, for example, even this would not be true.

I know that I'm going to regret posting this - sorry.

Just to summise this for those that don't understand.

What he's saying is that GSTQ is a quality f**king song!!!!!


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 22, 2008, 09:37:15 AM
Like you say, ignoring all the flaws in our electoral system, that allows a minority choice total power, Our Gordon wasn't democratically elected, and any system that allows any old Tom Dick or Harry to suddenly become our leader ( one with the power to actually lead us to war etc, not just a figurehead like Liz ) is every bit as flawed as the idea of a monarchy.



wow how wrong can 1 person be?

Explain to me how Mr Brown was not democratically elected.

I probably shouldn't be answering for someone else, but I guess that the point is that Gordon Brown was not leader of the Labour party at the time of the last election. It's possible to argue that no PM is truly democratically elected since many people vote for a local candidate rather than a particular party but I don't think that is a worthwhile debate.

Errm every PM is democratically elected.

Oh dear, I know that I shouldn't be starting this but I can't help myself.

Strictly speaking only the MPs are democratically elected. The majority party then forms a government and the leader of that party is PM. In some cases, in a hung parliament, deals are done to work out a working majority with the support of one or more other parties - otherwise another election is held. So the leader of a minority party could be PM. This is leaving aside the tricky issue of whether people actually vote for their local candidate, the party or the leader of that party. The way that the leader of the party is determined varies depending on the party but this is always by a small percentage of the population, typically only members of the party would vote. In Gordon Brown's case no other candidates stood for election as leader of the Labour party so nobody got to vote for him. So, IMHO, it would be difficult to say that he was democratically elected.

Typically, presidents could be said to be elected democratically, since people vote directly for them - however, in the case of a vice-president taking over the reins in the event of assassination, for example, even this would not be true.

I know that I'm going to regret posting this - sorry.

Just to summise this for those that don't understand.

What he's saying is that GSTQ is a quality f**king song!!!!!

[ x ] level


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: MereNovice on August 22, 2008, 09:39:29 AM
Like you say, ignoring all the flaws in our electoral system, that allows a minority choice total power, Our Gordon wasn't democratically elected, and any system that allows any old Tom Dick or Harry to suddenly become our leader ( one with the power to actually lead us to war etc, not just a figurehead like Liz ) is every bit as flawed as the idea of a monarchy.



wow how wrong can 1 person be?

Explain to me how Mr Brown was not democratically elected.

I probably shouldn't be answering for someone else, but I guess that the point is that Gordon Brown was not leader of the Labour party at the time of the last election. It's possible to argue that no PM is truly democratically elected since many people vote for a local candidate rather than a particular party but I don't think that is a worthwhile debate.

Errm every PM is democratically elected.

Oh dear, I know that I shouldn't be starting this but I can't help myself.

Strictly speaking only the MPs are democratically elected. The majority party then forms a government and the leader of that party is PM. In some cases, in a hung parliament, deals are done to work out a working majority with the support of one or more other parties - otherwise another election is held. So the leader of a minority party could be PM. This is leaving aside the tricky issue of whether people actually vote for their local candidate, the party or the leader of that party. The way that the leader of the party is determined varies depending on the party but this is always by a small percentage of the population, typically only members of the party would vote. In Gordon Brown's case no other candidates stood for election as leader of the Labour party so nobody got to vote for him. So, IMHO, it would be difficult to say that he was democratically elected.

Typically, presidents could be said to be elected democratically, since people vote directly for them - however, in the case of a vice-president taking over the reins in the event of assassination, for example, even this would not be true.

I know that I'm going to regret posting this - sorry.

Just to summise this for those that don't understand.

What he's saying is that GSTQ is a quality f**king song!!!!!

[ x ] level

Too right it's a level mate, I f*@king hate GSTQ.  ;D


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 22, 2008, 10:22:13 AM
Like you say, ignoring all the flaws in our electoral system, that allows a minority choice total power, Our Gordon wasn't democratically elected, and any system that allows any old Tom Dick or Harry to suddenly become our leader ( one with the power to actually lead us to war etc, not just a figurehead like Liz ) is every bit as flawed as the idea of a monarchy.



wow how wrong can 1 person be?

Explain to me how Mr Brown was not democratically elected.

I probably shouldn't be answering for someone else, but I guess that the point is that Gordon Brown was not leader of the Labour party at the time of the last election. It's possible to argue that no PM is truly democratically elected since many people vote for a local candidate rather than a particular party but I don't think that is a worthwhile debate.

Errm every PM is democratically elected.

Oh dear, I know that I shouldn't be starting this but I can't help myself.

Strictly speaking only the MPs are democratically elected. The majority party then forms a government and the leader of that party is PM. In some cases, in a hung parliament, deals are done to work out a working majority with the support of one or more other parties - otherwise another election is held. So the leader of a minority party could be PM. This is leaving aside the tricky issue of whether people actually vote for their local candidate, the party or the leader of that party. The way that the leader of the party is determined varies depending on the party but this is always by a small percentage of the population, typically only members of the party would vote. In Gordon Brown's case no other candidates stood for election as leader of the Labour party so nobody got to vote for him. So, IMHO, it would be difficult to say that he was democratically elected.

Typically, presidents could be said to be elected democratically, since people vote directly for them - however, in the case of a vice-president taking over the reins in the event of assassination, for example, even this would not be true.

I know that I'm going to regret posting this - sorry.

That's about my opinion, only put a lot clearer than I ever would.  ;hattip;


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Royal Flush on August 22, 2008, 03:01:51 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 22, 2008, 04:34:41 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?

It's flawed democracy.  It's not a terrible system, but it's not perfect.  Just like our monarchy is good, but not perfect. 



Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 22, 2008, 04:38:05 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?

It's flawed democracy.  It's not a terrible system, but it's not perfect.  Just like our monarchy is ridiculous, and an elected president would be better although not perfect. 


FYP


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 22, 2008, 04:44:55 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?

It's flawed democracy.  It's not a terrible system, but it's not perfect.  Just like our monarchy is ridiculous, and an elected president would be better although not perfect. 


FYP

The thought of which scares the pants off me. 


 


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: kinboshi on August 22, 2008, 05:23:34 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?

It's flawed democracy.  It's not a terrible system, but it's not perfect.  Just like our monarchy is ridiculous, and an elected president would be better although not perfect. 


FYP

The thought of which scares the pants off me. 
 

Why?  They'd have the same role as the current monarch.  But instead of being selected due to blood-line, they'll be chosen by the people. 


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: bigalhx1 on August 22, 2008, 05:39:55 PM
The British national anthem, is IMO pants, but of these three more tuneful ones, which do the people of Blondepoker prefer?

you have just lost any chance of a nighthood


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Rod Paradise on August 22, 2008, 06:14:53 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?

It's flawed democracy.  It's not a terrible system, but it's not perfect.  Just like our monarchy is ridiculous, and an elected president would be better although not perfect. 


FYP

The thought of which scares the pants off me. 


 

????

Elected representative >>> inbred toff who thinks the world smells of fresh paint.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: wader leg on August 22, 2008, 06:37:32 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?

It's flawed democracy.  It's not a terrible system, but it's not perfect.  Just like our monarchy is ridiculous, and an elected president would be better although not perfect. 


FYP


Better at what?


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Royal Flush on August 22, 2008, 07:20:08 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?

It's flawed democracy.  It's not a terrible system, but it's not perfect.  Just like our monarchy is good, but not perfect. 



Is there such a thing as a perfect democracy?

It is still a democratic system


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 22, 2008, 07:39:02 PM
Just my opinion, so don't get incandescent about it, and I'm sure that I'm wrong, and that their mums love 'em to bits, and that they're all triffic people doing a damn fine job........

BUT

In my political lifetime ( since Maggie ) I'd pretty much have to say that all the political leaders we've had ( and the nearlyruns who weren't quite ruthless enough ) are to a man ( woman ) totally self deluded, thieving, lying, scheming, bigoted, twats, who don't give a monkeys about you, me, or our country, but are either feathering their own nests, or making sure their name goes down in the history books because they've proved to the world how strong they are to stand up for their own beliefs, rather than considering what is best for our country, and the poor sods that have to live and die here.

So electing another one of them doesn't seem like a good idea to me.  Queenie had everything she needed the day she was born.  She's not looking at any of her duties and trying to make sure she comes out of it smelling of roses.  She just does her job, the one she's trained a lifetime to do.  And she pretty much does it faultlessly.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Royal Flush on August 22, 2008, 07:41:34 PM

In my political lifetime ( since Maggie ) I'd pretty much have to say that all the political leaders we've had ( and the nearlyruns who weren't quite ruthless enough ) are to a man ( woman ) totally self deluded, thieving, lying, scheming, bigoted, twats, who don't give a monkeys about you, me, or our country, but are either feathering their own nests, or making sure their name goes down in the history books because they've proved to the world how strong they are to stand up for their own beliefs, rather than considering what is best for our country, and the poor sods that have to live and die here.

Do you enjoy life?


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 22, 2008, 07:45:00 PM

In my political lifetime ( since Maggie ) I'd pretty much have to say that all the political leaders we've had ( and the nearlyruns who weren't quite ruthless enough ) are to a man ( woman ) totally self deluded, thieving, lying, scheming, bigoted, twats, who don't give a monkeys about you, me, or our country, but are either feathering their own nests, or making sure their name goes down in the history books because they've proved to the world how strong they are to stand up for their own beliefs, rather than considering what is best for our country, and the poor sods that have to live and die here.

Do you enjoy life?

Life itself is fine

It's the days weeks and years that are a bit of a bugger sometimes


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: booder on August 22, 2008, 07:45:36 PM
The British national anthem, is IMO pants, but of these three more tuneful ones, which do the people of Blondepoker prefer?

you have just lost any chance of a nighthood

as have you


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: wader leg on August 22, 2008, 07:55:04 PM
Just my opinion, so don't get incandescent about it, and I'm sure that I'm wrong, and that their mums love 'em to bits, and that they're all triffic people doing a damn fine job........

BUT

In my political lifetime ( since Maggie ) I'd pretty much have to say that all the political leaders we've had ( and the nearlyruns who weren't quite ruthless enough ) are to a man ( woman ) totally self deluded, thieving, lying, scheming, bigoted, twats, who don't give a monkeys about you, me, or our country, but are either feathering their own nests, or making sure their name goes down in the history books because they've proved to the world how strong they are to stand up for their own beliefs, rather than considering what is best for our country, and the poor sods that have to live and die here.

So electing another one of them doesn't seem like a good idea to me.  Queenie had everything she needed the day she was born.  She's not looking at any of her duties and trying to make sure she comes out of it smelling of roses.  She just does her job, the one she's trained a lifetime to do.  And she pretty much does it faultlessly.

Spot on IMO.
It's all the hangers on that get me, Edward and Sophie, Andrew and that bloke that looks like a Czar (top bod in Freemasonry apparently) and his Missus.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Robert HM on August 22, 2008, 10:37:02 PM


In my political lifetime ( since Maggie ) I'd pretty much have to say that all the political leaders we've had ( and the nearlyruns who weren't quite ruthless enough ) are to a man ( woman ) totally self deluded, thieving, lying, scheming, bigoted, twats, who don't give a monkeys about you, me, or our country, but are either feathering their own nests, or making sure their name goes down in the history books because they've proved to the world how strong they are to stand up for their own beliefs, rather than considering what is best for our country, and the poor sods that have to live and die here.


Pretty much with you on that one.

At election time, when the whimpering sycophants used to come looking for my empty promise for a vote in their favour, I would explain that anyone seeking election and thus the "right" to govern me has, by that very act, made themselves my adversary. I am now content as my way of life has excused me from being on any Election Register.

There was a time when some politicians earned the right to be called honourable when, in office, would take responsibility for their office and resign if things had gone wrong in their Department. Collective and Individual Responsibility is dead and this present lot hang on to their expense accounts until pushed by a superior intent on keeping his own position safe.

Keeping off the Royals for now, that's a bigger issue which would, in an earlier age, see me hanging from Tyburn.

Oh, and how I enjoyed studying Constitutional Law.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: Indestructable on August 23, 2008, 08:25:11 AM
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Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 23, 2008, 01:17:37 PM
Madge is a dirty old whore bag!  The royals are full of inbreds and they are all fking ugly imposters I think we should tie them to the stake and burn them all!

Viva republic!


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: bolt pp on August 23, 2008, 01:36:13 PM
Madge is a dirty old whore bag!  The royals are full of inbreds and they are all fking ugly imposters I think we should tie them to the stake and burn them all!

Viva republic!

this is one of the most offensive posts ive ever read!

no comma's, disgusting!


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 23, 2008, 02:06:42 PM
Madge is a dirty old whore bag!  The royals are full of inbreds and they are all fking ugly imposters I think we should tie them to the stake and burn them all!

Viva republic!

this is one of the most offensive posts ive ever read!

no comma's, disgusting!

Blimey, I knew she was divorcing Guy Ritchie, but I didn't realise she'd got her claws into Prince Harry already.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: boldie on August 23, 2008, 02:10:23 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?

It's flawed democracy.  It's not a terrible system, but it's not perfect.  Just like our monarchy is ridiculous, and an elected president would be better although not perfect. 


FYP

The thought of which scares the pants off me. 


 

????

Elected representative >>> inbred toff who thinks the world smells of fresh paint.

Elected representative would probably be Jade Feckin Goody.

Boris for President!


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: thetank on August 23, 2008, 02:22:29 PM
That is the way our system works though, it is a democratic system!

Our rules and laws are decided the same way are you now saying that isn't democratic?

It's flawed democracy.  It's not a terrible system, but it's not perfect.  Just like our monarchy is ridiculous, and an elected president would be better although not perfect. 


FYP

The thought of which scares the pants off me. 


 

????

Elected representative >>> inbred toff who thinks the world smells of fresh paint.

Elected representative would probably be Jade Feckin Goody.

Boris for President!

My thoughts exactly

inbred toff who thinks the world smalls of fresh paint > > > Jade Feckin Goody


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: ShatnerPants on August 23, 2008, 02:40:32 PM
The smell of fresh paint gives me a headache.

Jade Feckin Goody makes me want to gouge my eyes and ears out.

Boris for Queen.


Title: Re: National Anthems
Post by: wader leg on August 23, 2008, 03:27:29 PM
The smell of fresh paint gives me a headache.


Try glue instead.

Evo-Stick FTW