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Title: Chips
Post by: ScotlandStu on August 25, 2008, 04:43:28 PM



        Final game of 20 week league[top 40 qualify]. One player does not turn up[I think this is known to management]. What happens to his chips?


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: bhoywonder on August 25, 2008, 04:46:07 PM
They dont go on the table.present unfair pro,s and con,s to others position wise


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: cambo on August 25, 2008, 04:55:44 PM
just get taken off the table, well they should do


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: gatso on August 25, 2008, 05:01:19 PM
not enough info for a ruling here. is it just a case of they haven't turned up by the start? in that case they might show up later so chips must be in play. or have they said they def won't be coming?

do all players start with the same stacks or do points earned in the league determine stack size? if stacks are different then the chips should really all be in play to keep the balance.

probs a few more variables too


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: ScotlandStu on August 25, 2008, 05:03:35 PM


      My exact thoughts.  T.D's decision was to divide chips among rest of table. I voiced my extreme disapproval when I found out[about 20 mins. into tourney but got little support from rest of players. Poker in Glasgow is beyond a joke.


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: cambo on August 25, 2008, 05:16:30 PM
what? so the chips got divided between just that table and not all 39 players? thats just insane.

gatso the chips were staggered so top 4 get same chips then , next 4 etc, stu will confirm


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 25, 2008, 05:18:47 PM
If the player has made it clear they won't be attending then the chips don't go out IMO.

If the tournament has started and the chips are in play then they should remain so till said player blinds out.

under NO circumstances should those chips be re-distributed out amongst others on that table.

Who was TD Stu?  I'm sure Andy wouldn't have made such a daft decision!!??


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: cambo on August 25, 2008, 05:20:54 PM
think it was known before hand that this guy couldnt make it cos he was going on holiday, so the chips shouldnt even be on the table to start with


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: ScotlandStu on August 25, 2008, 05:24:44 PM



    Andy along with Colin made this decision.


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 25, 2008, 05:39:32 PM



    Andy along with Colin made this decision.

Wooooooosh!!!


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: bhoywonder on August 25, 2008, 05:41:18 PM
Ive been the recepiant once of chip divvying.bout 4 tables out and a healthy stack didnt return after the break.only those at my table got em.it felt dirty,but i kept quiet.as did the others.im presuming u werent at the dead stacks table stu?


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: cambo on August 25, 2008, 05:41:27 PM



    Andy along with Colin made this decision.

wow


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 25, 2008, 05:45:32 PM
presuming u werent at the dead stacks table stu?

I don't think it makes much difference mate.  Its the principle of the matter, the decision was wrong and it puts others at an unfair advantage.

Knowing Stuart I am sure had he been the benefactor of such a daft decision he'd still have spoke up against it.

Its a farce.



Title: Re: Chips
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 25, 2008, 05:48:29 PM



    Andy along with Colin made this decision.

wow

There are some imbeciles in there who have dealt with tournaments in Andy's absence and have made some baffling decisions in the past.  Normally Andy gets things spot on but this incident does not do anything for his reputation as a cardroom supervisor IMO.


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: gatso on August 25, 2008, 05:52:53 PM
lol @ ruling. what venue is this?


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: bhoywonder on August 25, 2008, 05:53:17 PM
To be fair,some of em are great dealers,but do they get paid enough to even care about their decisions.andy excepted


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: cambo on August 25, 2008, 05:54:35 PM
tbh i find it very strange that this would be andys decision hes usually spot on with everything in there , is colin not the boss maybe his final decision?


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 25, 2008, 06:04:16 PM
To be fair,some of em are great dealers,but do they get paid enough to even care about their decisions.andy excepted

And tbf most of them prefer dealing poker as they get a bit more banter with the players than they do with the folk playing house games plus they get to have a seat and dont need to stan all the time.  The pay shouldn't come into things because its a job they chose to do.  Nobody forces them to do it.

There are a few decent dealers, but there are also some poor dealers and a few of them have an attitude problem.

I'd say Ramona by far is the best dealer in the place.


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: bhoywonder on August 25, 2008, 08:43:37 PM
Sounds like boba fett talking there


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: Boba Fett on August 25, 2008, 08:45:45 PM
Chips were assigned in groups of 4, top 4 get the same amount, next 4 get same amount etc and then the tables were set up so that each table had 1 player from each of the 10 groups and therefore had the same amount of chips at each table.

The player in question is in the merchant navy and at sea and it was known he wouldnt be there, at the time i felt the decision was correct.  The chips have to stay on the table to keep all the tables balanced and if you blind them out, half the players at the table have a positional advantage for those blinds over the other half of the table.  Thinking more about it I think a better decision might have been to blind out the dead stack every hand so the chips are in there everypot and the positional advantage is lessened.


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 25, 2008, 08:53:10 PM
Sounds like boba fett talking there

Told you to stay off those mushrooms!


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: bhoywonder on August 25, 2008, 10:23:41 PM
lol


I must have been seeing things


ahem


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: gatso on August 25, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
if it was known in advance, and it sounds like it was, that the player would not be there then you would've thought that moving everyone up 1 spot in the league and letting player 21 in would be the best option.

as played you just have to put his stack on the table and blind him away. the stuff about positional advantage to some players is nonsense, it's only like being drawn with kinboshi on your left


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: Digger on August 25, 2008, 11:00:58 PM
if it was known in advance, and it sounds like it was, that the player would not be there then you would've thought that moving everyone up 1 spot in the league and letting player 21 in would be the best option.

as played you just have to put his stack on the table and blind him away. the stuff about positional advantage to some players is nonsense, it's only like being drawn with kinboshi on your left


Bait scattered! ;hide;


Title: Re: Chips
Post by: ScotlandStu on August 26, 2008, 04:18:32 PM

     gatso, I agree with you 100 per cent.