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Title: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: Graham C on August 28, 2008, 10:43:43 PM Thoughts on this please?
PokerStars Game #19971648580: Tournament #103653338, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (175/350) - 2008/08/28 - 17:36:25 (ET) Table '103653338 27' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: lexx2007 (13368 in chips) Seat 2: 399 CSI (19630 in chips) Seat 3: blu killer (6849 in chips) Seat 4: OLADIZ72 (12920 in chips) Seat 5: cheaps (14205 in chips) Seat 6: Graham0573 (18207 in chips) Seat 7: zocker270777 (17460 in chips) Seat 8: peiscottster (17475 in chips) Seat 9: POKERBUMM13 (20585 in chips) lexx2007: posts the ante 45 399 CSI: posts the ante 45 blu killer: posts the ante 45 OLADIZ72: posts the ante 45 cheaps: posts the ante 45 Graham0573: posts the ante 45 zocker270777: posts the ante 45 peiscottster: posts the ante 45 POKERBUMM13: posts the ante 45 cheaps: posts small blind 175 Graham0573: posts big blind 350 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Graham0573 [Jd Js] zocker270777: folds peiscottster: folds POKERBUMM13: raises 700 to 1050 lexx2007: folds 399 CSI: folds blu killer: folds OLADIZ72: folds cheaps: folds Graham0573: calls 700 *** FLOP *** [2c Qc Qs] Graham0573: bets 1050 POKERBUMM13: calls 1050 *** TURN *** [2c Qc Qs]
Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: Longy on August 28, 2008, 10:46:58 PM 3 bet to 3333 pre and call a shove imo.
As played i would check call the turn, we are way ahead/way behind his range apart from the small bits of his range that are flush draws. Check the river and sigh. Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: bolt pp on August 28, 2008, 10:50:04 PM re-raise pre
cant see how you're winning on the river, something yucky, wouldnt be surprised to see him show A high FD Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: Graham C on August 28, 2008, 10:59:21 PM Cheers, should have raised pre, must have had a moment!
I checked the river, he bet 6.3k and I folded. Annoyingly he showed the missed FD with J9s Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: Royal Flush on August 28, 2008, 11:48:36 PM I like the call pre, i hate the flop bet, what are you doing on the turn if he raises, why do you check fold the river?
Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: AlexMartin on August 28, 2008, 11:50:12 PM the flo bet is fundamentally bad graham m8 without history and knowing opponent.
Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: bolt pp on August 28, 2008, 11:50:50 PM I like the call pre, i hate the flop bet, what are you doing on the turn if he raises, why do you check fold the river? at this level with these stacks you like the flat pre from BB? Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: Graham C on August 28, 2008, 11:57:46 PM hmmm, mistakes obv made. I figured if I don't lead out on the flop, I'm probably going to check/fold and I didn't want too yet and I thought I was ahead at this point. I lead out on the turn for the same reason I think, I didn't think about it enough. The ace on the river wasn't nice to see and I automatically assumed he had one.
I'll get there. Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: Royal Flush on August 29, 2008, 12:07:04 AM I like the call pre, i hate the flop bet, what are you doing on the turn if he raises, why do you check fold the river? at this level with these stacks you like the flat pre from BB? Yeah for sure, what is the benefit of the RR? hmmm, mistakes obv made. I figured if I don't lead out on the flop, I'm probably going to check/fold and I didn't want too yet and I thought I was ahead at this point. I lead out on the turn for the same reason I think, I didn't think about it enough. The ace on the river wasn't nice to see and I automatically assumed he had one. I'll get there. You think you are probably ahead so why would you check fold? I really don't get that, you flat called pre so your hand is right at the top end of your range, your opponent has no idea you are this strong, not only that he will VB worse hands! So on the turn what do you do if he raises? What Ax hand does he have to call a flop and turn bet? Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: Graham C on August 29, 2008, 12:14:38 AM I've been thinking about it and I'm not sure. I need to think about it more in game. I feel all rushed and do things without thinking them through properly.
Prob why I sucked at cash tbh. Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: bolt pp on August 29, 2008, 12:19:14 AM what is the benefit of the reraise
It's a $10 multi, you dont have to go out of your way to disguise your hands or mix up your play, flatting pre just makes a tricky hand OOP even trickier on the flop. what Ax does he have to call a flop and turn bet unknown oppos range in a $10 multi is so huge i'm not surprised by any holding inc an Ace and all sorts of other shit hands that have us crushed by the river, most of the time i think we're beat here. Title: Re: Jacks in tourney from BB facing raise Post by: totalise on August 29, 2008, 01:54:53 AM id never fold the river if I played the hand like this. You are playing it like this for a reason!
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