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Starting stack 4k, i have about 3,800, were on the 2nd level 50/100, i've raised 2 pots and taken them uncontested, with 7's and 5's...

Aarun (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=2231) Bernard (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=2231) (has about the same, maybe 4k) has just sat down and has raised about 5 out of the 10 hands since he's been here (i dont 'know' him, but know of his style from updates etc etc) after arriving late...

He makes it 250 UTG+1 folded to me in the cutoff with  Aspades Jc, i flat, happy to play in position... Agree/disagree?  Find out were we are and put a raise in now?

The button calls (annoyingly), as does the BB...

Flop comes  Jh 8h 9d, Aarun bets, surprise surprise, 350, i raise to 900 pretty sure i'm ahead of him and happy to take the pot here on a dangerous drawing board... Do we like this raise? can't call surely?

Button dwells and dwells, before re-popping all-in for about 3k, BB folds, Aarun gives it some speech ''I was gonna do that etc'', before folding...

Its 2100 more for me to call, can anyone find a call here?  Tricky or completely standard fold?

i call pre, i call flop, i call now, i lurve to call

yeah, it's annoying when the bubble calls

Without any information about the button villain it would be difficult to say where you are. If he is abc then he almost certainly has a strong hand or is drawing to a strong hand.

A-J is trouble as it is and I think your pre-flop decision has made it even more troublesome. This Bernard guy has raised 5 out of 10 hands, so unless he's got a major rush going on he's pretty loose. You say your objective is to play a pot vs this guy with position. But you can see calling the small 250 hasn't really achieved that goal. Calling has encouraged a multi-way pot to develop between the other players who know the loose opener isn't necessarily strong. You are annoyed by what your own action has encouraged. I would prefer calling with a suited connecting type hand here. A-J doesn't work well in these situations imo. Raising and isolating the guy you know to be loose pre is a better way to get what you want out of the hand. As it stands I don't think you can be ahead much of the time, the best result is just the flush draw alone, but it could be much worse. It's a hopeful call if you make it.

Not over keen with the raise on that flop in a multi way pot.

yeah, deffo flat and use your position better. Hate the flop raise unless you are prepared for this eventuality.

 Am i right that ur being asked to roughly call 2100 to win 5200? if so i think u have to snap this. Just stoved a reasonable range and u need about 40% equity which you have.

I would flat flop and probably flat post flop trying to keep pot small.

What do we know about the button? I can't see too many players here shipping it with just a 10- unless they're really bad/loose.

Perhaps a scared set?

Bubble villain must realise pushing has almost no FE, so from his perspective the chips are almost certainly going in following the action in front of him. So sets, 2 pairs and even Q-10 don't really need to get tricky or play scared, they can just happily push, look like a draw, and and expect to get called. So if he doesn't have a major hand it must be a major drawing hand like  Kh Qh.

Posted by: TheChipPrince

Posted by: AlexMartin

Agree with Alex here. I think TheChipPrince has played the hand like he's HU with the opener. Flatting the opener's pre-flop raise and raising the opener's post-flop bet to take him off his hand has made the players behind less significant in the overall strat. But we are in a multi-way pot with A-J and should decide if we are committing to the hand before raising. Now that we have raised I suppose a call should be automatic and we should cross our fingers he has 10-J or Ah-xh. Because that is as good as it's going to get.

Fold pre.

or raise pre..definitely dont flat it pre for me.

^^Definitely. You're using the phrase "the button called annoyingly"...yet it's only a 2.5x raise and getting pretty nice pot odds for his position. I'd call with a large range of hands in that spot. And pretty much any two in the big blind.

Prefer a raise pre to a raise on that draw heavy board.

This is really borderline.

Worst case scenario? 7T
Best case scenario? I guess QJ

More likely he has either 2 pair/set.... or a big draw, at least flush draw with a gut shot.

I think I pass here for tournament life more often than I call. Hoping that you're 55% isn't a good spot to be in.

why?

Because the bet original bettor made pre is too small for me..everyone and their granny is going to be in this pot. I raise to isolate original bettor or take the pot down there and then.

Agree with Boldie. HU vs a loose player in position with a decent hand is a better situation to manufacture for yourself than encouraging a multi-way pot with what's now a marginal hand while potentially surrendering position. Also if the button is a decent player your call pre may encourage him to take charge of the hand and squeeze. Why not? The opener is very loose. Button would think he has a good chance to take it down pre or could get HU with position vs loose opener or you? But isn't that what we wanted to achieve out of this hand? The call doesn't achieve the playing in position vs opener objective and so isn't a good strat if that is what you want.

cool, just wanted to know ur reasoning.

calling pre is fine, i dnot like 3 betting since it really sucks if someone overshoves/original raiser shoves and it will be a good stack size to shove over (5-6x your 3 bet) so they can mix air with hands well.  also I think folding is too nitty for someone VPIPing 50%.  you mentioned you knew his style from updates but it would probably be useful if you elaborate (is he known for being a nit for instance) cos I have no clue who he is.  calling or folding the flop is good i think.  raisings pretty much the worst option since so many draws are shipping in on you as well as sets etc so your equity vs their draws/sets/two pair range is not great and nothing worse is sticking it (KJ probably folds for instance).  also he doesn't fold too often/you get overshovers frequently on that board - he is cbetting into 3 people on a board that is likely to have hit everyone.  alarm bells should be going off.  i'd probably call and evaluate on the turn.

btw, with all due respect, it is annoying when people say what they do with no basis for their reasoning when it isnt explicitly obvious whats good.  this is a pretty tough spot so "i'd call" or "i dont like the raise" don't really cut it (i'm aware i'm probably extremely guilty of this too tho :D)

pretty good but tight from what iv heard.

Only played about 2 hands out of 15, but have formed no real opinion of him yet...



Thanks, helpful...



Didnt say I blame him or disagree with him calling, but from my point of view its not great...



My thoughts, in hindisght I dont like my flop play, and yes maybe pre this should be a fold... Once I see the button dwell for more than 15-20 seconds i'm pretty sure he's putting them in and i'm way behind, at worst I think he has J8... Yes its a great price, but the only i can possible want him to turn over is Ah + h, which i didnt think he had this early, he turned over 9's anyway for a set...