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Title: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Supernova on August 29, 2008, 11:55:36 PM
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Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Grier78 on August 30, 2008, 12:16:34 AM
Yes right play, IMO you would be wrong to play the hand in any other way. You are a 79% favorite to triple up.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Colchester Kev on August 30, 2008, 12:34:56 AM
level


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: scotty2hatty on August 30, 2008, 12:57:05 AM
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surely!


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: The-Crow on August 30, 2008, 01:30:31 AM
Unlucky Nova,

but at least you played, poor old snatiramas never got home in time, and was blinded out

bye m8


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Longy on August 30, 2008, 10:43:49 AM
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Please be, Flushy is going to be in bits if he thinks this is serious.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: bolt pp on August 30, 2008, 10:47:57 AM
Unlucky Nova,


ok then


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Laxie on August 30, 2008, 12:03:10 PM
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Please be, Flushy is going to be in bits if he thinks this is serious.

 rotflmfao  You can sing that.  Where's me popcorn?



Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Royal Flush on August 30, 2008, 12:05:05 PM
I really do think people should get like a 1 week PHA ban for this kind of stuff.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: boldie on August 30, 2008, 01:24:47 PM
I really do think people should get like a 1 week PHA ban for this kind of stuff.

It is an unreal question to ask indeed.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: bolt pp on August 30, 2008, 01:48:40 PM
I really do think people should get like a 1 week PHA ban for this kind of stuff.

It is an unreal question to ask indeed.

there was a question in this bad beat story?

must've missed it


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Longy on August 30, 2008, 01:55:03 PM
I really do think people should get like a 1 week PHA ban for this kind of stuff.

??????

Serious question, what else do you think you possibly could done in this hand apart from what you did? Apart from run better.



Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: MANTIS01 on August 30, 2008, 01:59:44 PM
Posted by: bolt pp
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there was a question

Yes. Whether you should put the whole thing on the line?


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: bolt pp on August 30, 2008, 02:06:24 PM
Posted by: bolt pp
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there was a question

Yes. Whether you should put the whole thing on the line?

answer it then


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: boldie on August 30, 2008, 02:08:32 PM
Posted by: bolt pp
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there was a question

Yes. Whether you should put the whole thing on the line?

with 8 BBs and pocket aces pre-flop...Even supernova knows that there was no question to ask.

I am sure though that you could probably come up with a 2 page answer as to how the psychology of poker applies here...come on, you know you want to  ;)


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: MANTIS01 on August 30, 2008, 02:23:29 PM
If you consider every facet of the situation from every angle I think it's reasonable to put the whole thing on the line :)

I just don't know what putting the whole thing on the line is??


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Colchester Kev on August 30, 2008, 04:24:28 PM
I really do think people should get like a 1 week PHA ban for this kind of stuff.

??????

Serious question, what else do you think you possibly could done in this hand apart from what you did? Apart from run better.



I could have just called and seen the flop and maybe if I hadn't hit I could have taken the veiw ok I'd lost the battle but was at least still in the war.
I have seen the best hand lose alot more than win on there as it goes.

I was taught to get them in ahead, but now there is the theory of slow playing monsters  to maximise your return if you hit, if you don't then get out.

I thought I'd ask those of you who are more experienced and better players  than myself your opinions that's all, now I wish I hadn't bothered.
No need to ban me for a week. I won't ask anything again, point taken. Thanks.





Its a bit of a no brainer which is why you have got the response that you have.

Someone has raised to 600, you have 7 big blinds (1500) and are sitting with ACES ... At this point you should be dancing around the room shouting "LOOK LOOK I HAVE ACES AND THIS MUG HAS RAISED INTO ME, I RUN SO GOOD" then you press the all in button as quick as I get to the front of the queue when the buffet is announced.

Why would you ever flat call 600 from your stack and pass on ANY flop for the last 900 ... seriously, you couldnt have hoped for a better situation than the one you had ... Just out of interest, what is the buy in for the primo ?


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: boldie on August 30, 2008, 04:26:32 PM
I really do think people should get like a 1 week PHA ban for this kind of stuff.

??????

Serious question, what else do you think you possibly could done in this hand apart from what you did? Apart from run better.



I could have just called and seen the flop and maybe if I hadn't hit I could have taken the veiw ok I'd lost the battle but was at least still in the war.

This just doesn't make any sense..what are you hoping to hit with pocket aces?

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I have seen the best hand lose alot more than win on there as it goes.


no you haven't..you just think you have.

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I was taught to get them in ahead, but now there is the theory of slow playing monsters  to maximise your return if you hit, if you don't then get out.

You have pocket aces, again..what are you hoping to hit? What flop would you fold on? There is such a thing as slow playing Aces but there is no theory that says "If you don't hit with your aces then you should fold"..really, honestly there isnt.

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I thought I'd ask those of you who are more experienced and better players  than myself your opinions that's all, now I wish I hadn't bothered.
No need to ban me for a week. I won't ask anything again, point taken. Thanks.

I think you missed the point completely actually. Take on board what it said here..(and I can't believe I have to say this) but..don't fold Aces!...

You story doesn't ask for a lot of analysis really..you wanted to complain about getting beat with your aces. A lot of people do this and that's why people get techy when they read a story like this. We have all been there, nobody cares.

You can ask anything you want..great!..that's what this PHA board or Learning center is for...but you are not completely new to poker, no? You have played more than once or twice and surely should know that when you have pocket aces..your chips should go in the middle? There is no point acting all offended by the reactions..when you forget about your bad beat, are calm again and think about it you realise you really didn't ask a question.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: bolt pp on August 30, 2008, 04:32:14 PM
For once i actually dont know what to say


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: bolt pp on August 30, 2008, 04:34:13 PM
I thought of something.......ban flushy for a couple of weeks for his own good untill this thread drops off of the board.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Colchester Kev on August 30, 2008, 04:38:43 PM
Sky Poker brings you Primo, a tournament with a massive guaranteed prize pool of £25,000!

The Grand interactive Sky Poker Primo Final will take place on the 29th August at 9pm, and will be televised live on TV, Sky channel 865.

How do I enter?

It is easy for you to win a seat to play for a share of the £25,000 guaranteed prize pool.

You can buy-in directly for £55.



 ;frustrated;


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: boldie on August 30, 2008, 04:41:51 PM
Sky (http://www.skypoker.com/poker/sky_lobby?aff=1062) Poker (http://www.skypoker.com/poker/sky_lobby?aff=1062) brings you Primo, a tournament with a massive guaranteed prize pool of £25,000!

The Grand interactive Sky (http://www.skypoker.com/poker/sky_lobby?aff=1062) Poker (http://www.skypoker.com/poker/sky_lobby?aff=1062) Primo Final will take place on the 29th August at 9pm, and will be televised live on TV, Sky channel 865.

How do I enter?

It is easy for you to win a seat to play for a share of the £25,000 guaranteed prize pool.

You can buy-in directly for £55.



 ;frustrated;

I think this hand has to be from a sattelite..if not..then I blame TK for this thread as he "educates" Sky players ;)


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Colchester Kev on August 30, 2008, 04:43:23 PM
Time of post and title suggests it was from the Primo itself.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: boldie on August 30, 2008, 04:44:40 PM
Time of post and title suggests it was from the Primo itself.

I am going to play on Sky from now on.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Supernova on August 30, 2008, 04:47:13 PM
Offending post removed, please close the thread.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: MANTIS01 on August 30, 2008, 04:48:07 PM
There was a guy on Richard and Judy once who sold everything he owned, house, car, clothing, t.v, kitchen products. Absolutely everything he owned. Then he went to vegas to put it all on red or black. I thought that was kinda crazy, but also quite a rush I expect. This guy put the whole thing on the line. So I don't think the op's question is stupid if that is the situation. I think it would be quite close actually.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Ginger on August 30, 2008, 04:52:15 PM
Blinds were 100/200

UTG raised to 600 everyone folded up to me
I was on the button and had 1540 chips so I went AI
the BB called

UTG had KH KD
I had AC AD
the BB had AS KS

The flop was 7S 4S JC
TURN 10S
RIVER 6C
the BB caught the spade flush

please discuss, I put the whole thing on the line, was I right/wrong?

Sorry Supernova, but as everyone else says, no matter how you word it, or what tourny it is (with the exception of some situations in sats) you never ever think twice about getting your chips in as quick as humanly possible.

Whatever source you read this in, or heard it from, destroy it, or never visit that place again. It's quite simply the worst and craziest advice ever.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Ginger on August 30, 2008, 04:54:06 PM
Sorry to go back to it, but how do you think you missed the J high flop?


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: boldie on August 30, 2008, 05:00:08 PM
There was a guy on Richard and Judy once who sold everything he owned, house, car, clothing, t.v, kitchen products. Absolutely everything he owned. Then he went to vegas to put it all on red or black. I thought that was kinda crazy, but also quite a rush I expect. This guy put the whole thing on the line. So I don't think the op's question is stupid if that is the situation. I think it would be quite close actually.

nice level


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Supernova on August 30, 2008, 05:54:30 PM

Sorry Supernova, but as everyone else says, no matter how you word it, or what tourny it is (with the exception of some situations in sats) you never ever think twice about getting your chips in as quick as humanly possible.

Whatever source you read this in, or heard it from, destroy it, or never visit that place again. It's quite simply the worst and craziest advice ever.
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Lol looks like I'm going to have to play elsewhere then because it's happening alot on Sky which is why I asked the question!!

As for hitting the J high flop, well I'd have been surprised if anyone hit, but the 2 spades on the flop turned out to be dangerous. All I'm saying is if I'd have played badly, I may have stayed in. I'm not at all offended by the way, just trying to become a better player and progress.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Grier78 on August 30, 2008, 06:17:24 PM
I think that some of the comments in this thread are a bit harsh, I don't think that the reason that Supernova posted was to get sympathy for a bad beat.

I would also imagine that anyone who was not aware of such a standard play is also fairly new to the game and would benefit far more from a decent explanation than sarcasm.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: bolt pp on August 30, 2008, 06:23:23 PM
All I'm saying is if I'd have played badly, I may have stayed in.

I understand what grier78 is saying but  even the most unexperianced of players should see why this statement is beyond ridiculous



Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: boldie on August 30, 2008, 06:26:52 PM
I think that some of the comments in this thread are a bit harsh, I don't think that the reason that Supernova posted was to get sympathy for a bad beat.

I would also imagine that anyone who was not aware of such a standard play is also fairly new to the game and would benefit far more from a decent explanation than sarcasm.

anxiously awaiting your "decent explanation".

Really..nobody overstepped the line here (Flushy's post is actually just a very funny one IMO) Supernova is not new to blonde and should know about that sometimes you get a bit of a sarcy reply when you ask a very obvious question..that's the way it works.

She will learn from all the comments made here and become a better player should she choose to pay attention to them.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Grier78 on August 30, 2008, 06:31:14 PM

Sorry Supernova, but as everyone else says, no matter how you word it, or what tourny it is (with the exception of some situations in sats) you never ever think twice about getting your chips in as quick as humanly possible.

Whatever source you read this in, or heard it from, destroy it, or never visit that place again. It's quite simply the worst and craziest advice ever.


Lol looks like I'm going to have to play elsewhere then because it's happening alot on Sky which is why I asked the question!!

As for hitting the J high flop, well I'd have been surprised if anyone hit, but the 2 spades on the flop turned out to be dangerous. All I'm saying is if I'd have played badly, I may have stayed in. I'm not at all offended by the way, just trying to become a better player and progress.


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I would advise getting a poker mentor to talk you through a few slower structure tournaments on a site like Full  (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206)Tilt (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206), PokerStars or even better Blonde Poker.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Grier78 on August 30, 2008, 06:34:56 PM
All I'm saying is if I'd have played badly, I may have stayed in.

I understand what grier78 is saying but  even the most unexperianced of players should see why this statement is beyond ridiculous


I agree, which is why I think there are some fundamental issues that Supernova hasn't grasped yet.


Title: Re: Tonights Sky Primo
Post by: Grier78 on August 30, 2008, 06:39:02 PM
I think that some of the comments in this thread are a bit harsh, I don't think that the reason that Supernova posted was to get sympathy for a bad beat.

I would also imagine that anyone who was not aware of such a standard play is also fairly new to the game and would benefit far more from a decent explanation than sarcasm.

anxiously awaiting your "decent explanation".

Really..nobody overstepped the line here (Flushy's post is actually just a very funny one IMO) Supernova is not new to blonde and should know about that sometimes you get a bit of a sarcy reply when you ask a very obvious question..that's the way it works.

She will learn from all the comments made here and become a better player should she choose to pay attention to them.

I don't think that anyone has "overstepped the line" and I am as guilty as anyone of being sarcastic in posts, I just don't think that Supernova would have posted if she thought it was an obvious question.