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Final Table, HH 6 players left

Stack sizes (approx)

Button 10,000
SB (Me) 16,000
BB     24,000
UTG 5,800
UTG+1 6,300
MP 12,000

Blinds 300/600

UTG shoves
UTG+1 instant call - even before UTG has let go of his chips
folded to me
I have KK

what do I do?

is this an automatic shove, which will inevitably leave me just facing the two original raisers?

or is there value in flatcalling thinking that I am ahead and that there is a strong likelihood that at least one of UTG/UTG+1 has A something thus reducing the likelihood of another A appearing; also do I want BB to call with an underpair/whatever?

UTG+1 only has 500 chips more, get them in now if you can, shove imo.

I dont think calling or shoving makes any difference, the BB needs a monster hand to call with 3 players paying 10 BB's and 2 all-in, if he flat called and an A comes on the board your left with awkward decisions, dont give yourself these, shove it all in pre-flop...

Don't shove.

The value is in flat calling hoping to induce a shove from the BB if he has an underpair or Ax. It might help to dwell up a bit and try to make it look like a reluctant call as well. That is more likely to get a shove from tens, jacks or queens.

You don't want to isolate the 2 others because chances are one of them has an ace so if it drops you lose anyway.

You want a side pot here with the BB. If he has an ace as well then you're a huge favourite.

You want the BB to call with any hand that isn't a pair of aces.

BB with small pair/whatever isn't getting the odds to try and stack you and your obvious monster so go ahead and flat it.


That's assuming the BB is playing perfectly. He might push over a flat with something crazy like AK or flat call with any pair.

In general, avoiding awkard situations is good. However, I don't think this is one of them. For sure we don't want an A-high flop, but the pot would be so huge it's not going to slow us down.

small edit to the opening moves - UTG+1 shoved

I flat called ( I am reassured that this was the right move), BB thought long and hard and eventually called

flop was J high rainbow - something like 4 J 7 i think

I bet 3000 BB went all in.....

call or fold?

insta-call, no question

Guessing he had JJ....gg

Good point, also ive just noticed its a HEADHUNTER MTT, changes everything, of course the BB calls with any pair, he's after the head value...

Thinking about it, I would definately shove, the BB will call with a wide range in a Headhunter here with 3 players all-in, he won't be able to resist the head value with any decen A or pair...

I'm confused now (not that that's a new experience for me)

I thought after the event that I should have shoved over the top to get the BB out of the hand

events proved me right but I didn't want to have the 50p fine for a bad beat story

All my chips went in on the flop BB turned over QJ

I was dealing for the table and produced my speciality, the Q on the river to give him two pair and a massive pot.

I did manage to hang on for third

You got the result you wanted.  The BB called with an inferior hand and made a mistake.  You just got unlucky - so 50p please.

The way the hand played out, the flat call or the shove pre-flop would have produced the same result.

the 50p is fair, but I still wonder if I'd have got a better result from shoving pre?

I believe I would fold QJ pre in BB's position against a shove from a stack that could seriously damage him.

But then I think I could fold QJ here even without the shove and that's probably not winning poker

This is an auto-shove...

The pot is big enough without trying to encourage more action behind you.

Somethings not right, or am I missing it?

How did you hang on for 3rd if BB had 24k at the start of the hand and stacked your 16k?

eff - my mistake, I had him just about covered and was left with about 4,000

my memory dims as the years pass by

Eezily done. wd on the 3rd.

I doubt that the BB calls a shove pre. Not for all his chips.

By flatting we give him decent odds to call with hands exactly like the one he had and then make his mistake on the flop.

Played perfectly, just unlucky.

WD on the 3rd

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