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well after playing last night i'm giving it a rest for awhile.

I took some beats last night that really make me question the game, OR MY GAME.

I played in two tourneys last night and thought i would have a go at playing to win and not just making the money, well first tourney OUT ON THE BUBBLE, man that pissed me off. but still gave myself a small pat on the back for getting so far.

So on to tourney number 2 and grrrrrrr went out 2 away from the bubble.

 So i went and sat at a ring game and very first hand i am dealt ATspades  put out a 4xbb raise get 1 caller flop comes T74 rainbow matey bets out, i come over the top. he puts me all in.. so i'm thinking set of 777 set of 10s. No more likely to be holding TK  TJ and thinking he's good. CALL... well never in a million years could i have him on  T4..

so although i will still pop in and read posts, i'm alittle miffed with the game and need to rethink if this is something i want to continue to do

All the best to you guy's and i take my hat of to you snoopy ( or atleast i would if i had one )

Bundle

I might be with you mate. i have taken so many bad beats today that i feel a little sick about it. Everytime i've lost all my chips i've been well in front everytime the chips have gone in, and river after river they make their set or 2nd pair or whatever. I've shouted too many obsenitys at the screen and it's got louder and louder. sick as a parrot. >:(

edit: (sorry to moan)

all players can empathise with you, the inevitable downswings are a big part of the game, and are probably magnified online, where you can take many more harsh beats in a short space of time.

the trick is to be able to stand back, take a day or two off & see whether it is just bad luck, or are there areas you could improve.

it's all about handling the swings; lose the minimum when you are running bad & try to make the best of it when it's going your way!

Yes this is what i was thinking, although i don't think a couple of days will work for me. I'm thinking more along the lines of a few weeks, with a couple of good poker books, and see if i can feel good about my game again.

I guess the real question to look at here is for every player winning money there is someone losing..so which one am i......hmm might have to take up golf.......(http://)

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last tourney tonight. don't see how i can play this differently. An example of my luck today.

-----HAND 5------
Game #1316043993: Hold'em NL (150/300) - 2005/11/13 - 22:52:46 (UK)
Table "Tourney 1379316 - 1" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: Ak_hotrob (6625.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Tomfitz (5665 in chips)
Seat 3: Twism (13245 in chips)
Seat 4: Tommyk1 (4927.50 in chips)
Seat 5: MART2002 (11020 in chips)
Seat 6: Bulldo006 (6720 in chips)
Seat 7: hoping (3974 in chips)
Seat 8: bellybutt (3785 in chips)
Seat 9: Blue0105 (3522.50 in chips)
Seat 10: Silverfal (3470 in chips)
Tommyk1: posts the ante 25
MART2002: posts the ante 25
Bulldo006: posts the ante 25
hoping: posts the ante 25
bellybutt: posts the ante 25
Blue0105: posts the ante 25
Silverfal: posts the ante 25
Ak_hotrob: posts the ante 25
Tomfitz: posts the ante 25
Twism: posts the ante 25
Tommyk1: posts small blind 150
MART2002: posts big blind 300
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Tommyk1 [4s Qh]
Bulldo006: folds
hoping: folds
bellybutt: folds
Blue0105: folds
Silverfal: folds
Ak_hotrob: folds
Tomfitz: calls 300
Twism: calls 300
Tommyk1: calls 150
MART2002: checks
----- FLOP ----- [4h Jc Qs]
Tommyk1: checks
MART2002: checks
Tomfitz: checks
Twism: bets 300
Tommyk1: raises to 1200
MART2002: calls 1200
Tomfitz: folds
Twism: folds
----- TURN ----- [4h Jc Qs][7s]
Tommyk1: bets 3402.50 and is all-in
MART2002: calls 3402.50
----- RIVER ----- [4h Jc Qs 7s][7c]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Tommyk1: shows [4s Qh] (Two Pairs, Queens and Sevens, Jack high)
MART2002: shows [7d 7h] (Four of a kind, Sevens, Queen high)
MART2002 collected 10955 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 10955 Main pot 10955 Rake 0
Board [4h Jc Qs 7s 7c]
Seat 1: Ak_hotrob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Tomfitz folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Twism (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Tommyk1 (small blind) lost
Seat 5: MART2002 (big blind) showed [7d 7h] and won (10955) with Four of a kind, Sevens, Queen high
Seat 6: Bulldo006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: hoping folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: bellybutt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Blue0105 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Silverfal folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Unreal.... with a bet and a raise out in front of him how can you think your 7s are good. I guess that because he has a big stack he can chase the set.

thats a tough one mate

cheers for the sympathy bundle. Where do i send my 50p for the bad beat story?

Although the player with 77 is a muppet, why did you call with Qh 4s ?

sb. 150 into a 1250 pot. over 8/1 pot odds. Show me anyone who doesn't make the blinds up in that situation.

Very unlucky ace2mouth but there is an arguement i subscribe to that i don't want to play q4 in first position post flop, no matter what my odds are. Its the kind of hand where you end up losing alot of money cos its a poor hand. After the flop you are stuck in this situation and have been outdrawn by some very fishy play. These king, queen,jack rag hands aren't worth playing full stop on a full table IMO.

I can fully support the break.  I had a similar spell last year - took 2 months of and then won $25000 in multis on prima in 3 weeks.

Just done the same - month off, not quite as good cashed in 31st in the $100k on prima and nicked $500 at cash.

Enjoy the break, read lots and come back stronger

Didn't we discuss this at length in one of the great threads posted by HarryD?

I think the conclusion was we all had a headache.

It is unlucky and these things happen, you just have to take it on the chin and move on - if it wasn't for bad players it would be very hard to win anything.

A break is a good idea, you'll most likely come back feeling refreshed and raring to go instead of dreading the next outdraw.

if it isn't too expensive i will ALWAYS call a bet on the flop with a PP trying to hit the set, ditto for the turn.
Especially if the board is paired, the implied odds are huge..well worth the risk IMO.
Great way to build chips in a multi, also the added advantage is if you call a bet on the flop or turn the initial raiser may slow down giving you the oportunity to take it with a sizeable bet on the river.
Bugger, giving my tricks away now :)

I'm having a bad patch at the moment. Bad play and some bad beats, plus I seem to be on a bit of a self destructive tilt at the moment generally.

I don't have the discipline to take a break though.

Shame really, it's kinda making me hate the game - but I secretly think I am doing it to myself on purpose.

Very strange.

I know what you're saying Heid, it's bizarre when you are fully aware that you steaming money away on a full tilt and even though you tell yourself to stop, you carry on. Haven't done it for a while but when i do it costs me.

Luck is the only aspect of your game that you have no control over. I am bursting to post some bad beat stories but I'm not going to, because that would mean allowing myself the luxury blaming the one thing I cant change

I try to ask myself this one question, did I play it right? If I think the answer is yes then nothing else matters.

If the answer is no then I have something to work on

You have to get the whole "Luck" thing out of your head or it will destroy you

 :goodpost:

A professional player once wrote. "expert players do not rely on luck, they are at war with it. They use their skills to minimize luck as much as possible. They figure they're getting the best of it, and they leave the lucky draws to their weaker opponents. To the extent that they are getting the best of it, they will win more than they lose. Over the long run everybody gets the same proportion of good and bad cards, of winning and losing hands. Beginning poker players rely on big hands and lucky draws. Expert poker players use their skills to minimize their losses on the bad hands and maximize their profits on the big hands. They also are able to judge better than others when a big hand is not the best hand and when a small hand is the best hand."

Well, an interesting afternoon.

Thanks to some empathetic comments on this thread, and a rather interestingly worded PM from His Endness (may well follow that one up), I bucked up a bit, and qualified for the 15k Crypto tonight, and am within qualifying range for the 10k as well.

My best result for a while - a £50 value.

It's put a bit of a spring back into the old step.

Shows what a place this is :)

Heid
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Me, I throw trash like that in the bin in a tournament with 20-1. Trouble hand, get rid!

My sentiments entirily, though, I might just call occasionaly,but the kicker is so bad and when the JQ come on the fop it opens so meny higher 2 pair possibilities, yuor bound to be up against it most times, do'nt be blinded by what he actually finished with, had you had caught trips, then played on in the same circumstances......now that would have been a bad beat.
Back to the books , especsaly the chapters about rubbish kickers.

I used to make the same mistake,,, playing crap from the SB because "it was only 40 to call into a 500 pot" etc....

Trouble is, as pointed out by so many people, you will loose far more than you win. You also leave yourself open to "bad beats". For example, you have J4 and have 5 limpers infront of you so you limp as well from the SB. Flop comes J 2 4 - Hurray!! you think , and get excited over 2 pair. Trouble is, many players will not put down AJ , KJ, QJ etc... so you now have a situation where you may be outdrawn - hense the "bad beat" , but in my opinion, it isnt a "bad beat" as you should not of been in the pot with J 4.

How many times will you flop 2 pair, or trips??? NOT THAT OFTEN

How many times will you miss the flop completely? LOTS!!

So, GET RID OF IT. Simple

You always seem to make the most sense with your post's, a natural at writting.

I do ask myself did i play it right, the hand with the guy playing T4 is no, i didn't play it right, it could have been the set i was up against, so that was a bad call.

To be honest my game had started to get really weak, does he have 2 pair????????? has he flopped the set????. I was trying to play smart and lay down when i was behind and not to chase, only to find out after someone else calls him that i was way ahead of them both, this really started getting to me.

 busting out on the bubble in the tourney  i was the short stack and had to make a move, and i was BB with 55.... 1 limper SB didn't make up, so I dump it all in, CALL A8  hits the 8 gone . i can live with that.

anyway it's time for me to look at my game.  I think a break will do me the world of good.

g/l to all you players