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Title: What makes up ROI? Post by: WYSINWYG on September 10, 2008, 04:17:32 PM If someone is playing 50 dollars heads up sit and go and their Return On Investment is 25% how much of that is down to them and how much is variance? If someone played near perfect poker what would their ROI be roughly in this scenario, all other things equal?
Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: TheChipPrince on September 10, 2008, 04:19:47 PM have you had a cracking start to your heads-up career by any chance?!
Anything above 10% head-ups from more than 500+ games is impressive i'd say... Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: bhoywonder on September 10, 2008, 04:21:16 PM Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.
Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: WYSINWYG on September 10, 2008, 04:25:15 PM have you had a cracking start to your heads-up career by any chance?! Anything above 10% head-ups from more than 500+ games is impressive i'd say... Yes thank you it's going pretty well. I have just been surfing around some other players stats. I see one heads up specialist is running at 11 percent, which is pretty good over.......wait for it.........27 million dollars wagered on one site. i suppose that is Heads Up multitabling, I dunno if I could do that... Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: WYSINWYG on September 10, 2008, 04:27:50 PM Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake. Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for. I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke. Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: AndrewT on September 10, 2008, 04:29:59 PM Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake. Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for. I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke. Rake = Fee It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in. Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: kinboshi on September 10, 2008, 04:37:36 PM ...and also include rakeback.
Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: Royal Flush on September 11, 2008, 06:22:42 AM Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake. Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for. I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke. Rake = Fee It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in. $50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely? At the most $50+$2.5 As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now. Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: AlexMartin on September 11, 2008, 09:43:17 AM Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake. Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for. I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke. Rake = Fee It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in. $50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely? At the most $50+$2.5 As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now. cmon, ship the goodies boss :) Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: TheChipPrince on September 11, 2008, 09:47:16 AM Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake. Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for. I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke. Rake = Fee It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in. $50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely? At the most $50+$2.5 As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now. 10% attainable at $50+? Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: Royal Flush on September 11, 2008, 03:08:28 PM Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake. Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for. I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke. Rake = Fee It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in. $50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely? At the most $50+$2.5 As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now. cmon, ship the goodies boss :) It was really simple stuff, raising every button was the starting point, its massively exploitable but they just never did. Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: WYSINWYG on September 11, 2008, 03:26:02 PM Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake. Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for. I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke. Rake = Fee It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in. $50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely? At the most $50+$2.5 As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now. cmon, ship the goodies boss :) It was really simple stuff, raising every button was the starting point, its massively exploitable but they just never did. I copy and paste this unedited from a game I played recently. Villain: why you gotta raise every hand off the jump? .............. Villain: you didnt even hand anything .............. Hero: its not about the cards Villain: lol, ok dude you're going to lose Hero: i don care about money Villain: then just give it to me Hero: this kind of money means little to me Villain: wow, youre really predictable Hero shows three of a kind, Jacks Dealer: Hero wins the pot (1,120) with three of a kind, Jacks Hero: did u predict that Villain: you just got lucky thats all. i had pocket aces, you just got lucky ............. Villain: why do you raise every hand before the cards? you're an idiot dude. youre an idiot that just gets lucky Pissing off opponent always +EV Title: Re: What makes up ROI? Post by: FuglyBaz on September 11, 2008, 03:27:24 PM Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake. Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for. I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke. Rake = Fee It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in. $50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely? At the most $50+$2.5 As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now. cmon, ship the goodies boss :) It was really simple stuff, raising every button was the starting point, its massively exploitable but they just never did. I copy and paste this unedited from a game I played recently. Villain: why you gotta raise every hand off the jump? .............. Villain: you didnt even hand anything .............. Hero: its not about the cards Villain: lol, ok dude you're going to lose Hero: i don care about money Villain: then just give it to me Hero: this kind of money means little to me Villain: wow, youre really predictable Hero shows three of a kind, Jacks Dealer: Hero wins the pot (1,120) with three of a kind, Jacks Hero: did u predict that Villain: you just got lucky thats all. i had pocket aces, you just got lucky ............. Villain: why do you raise every hand before the cards? you're an idiot dude. youre an idiot that just gets lucky Pissing off opponent always +EV I LOL'd! :D |