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local self dealt casino game

im supershorty stack in the sb with  Qh 7h...all limp to the button, who calls ( the dealer and local pllayer )

I shove all in...BB folds..and dealer goes to deal the flop...." whoa " says I..." there are no callers? "........ " yeah " ,she says " i called"....


At this point i look down to see that she had scooped my cards as well as the BB's into the muck........doh..

so 5 minutes of hilarity insues,she asks what do we do here..

1) I win the pot was rejected...damn ( with a smile on my face i may add,you gotta try though )

2) split the pot was rejected..

3) the TD was hanging around,and I threatened to get the police if was asked to leave and my hand was declared dead ( I f he did say this then fair enough as this is the actual ruling I believe..lol )


No...none of the above was applicable

4) the solution was to secretly tell the TD my hole cards and he went into the muck and retrieved em

she flipped over Kc 9h and i made a boat and went on to cash..happy days


more bizzaro rulings to follow

terrible, you now cant compalain about any other rulings or angle shooters. 3 is the correct (harsh) ruling if it was the other way around you would be complaining if you were the person you doubled up through.

I should add,the discussions took place with a sense of humour,the dealer was feeling pretty lousy at having made a mistake.....( i really tryed to split the pot )

but i was thinking what if SHE was the angle shooter,,that would have been class..and enforced rule numero 3

If the dealer is the other player involved in the hand, and it was the dealer's mistake to muck your cards, how on earth can punishing the SB be the correct ruling??

Surely this ruling is just an angle-shooter's dream in a self-deal game.

This is one of the reasons I avoid self-deal games like the plague.  I'd much rather pay slightly too much juice and have it self-deal. 

What was the buy-in to this tournament bhoywonder?

Something very similar happened to me in a self dealt casino game. I was allowed my cards back if I knew exactly what they were but because I'd shoved as soon as I saw paint I didn't know the suits, just that they were JK and both black.

Lesson learnt. When you've got chips in the middle guard your cards until the pot is pushed towards someone.

Nice result this time though  ;D

I don't understand how anyone can think that the dealer has made a mistake.

It is the player's responsibility to protect their hand at all times.

actually quite a hefty £44


yeah i know. and I wouldda but all my card protectors were in the middle of the table..lol

Within reason.

Bhoywonder has gone all-in, so can't keep a chip on his cards. The dealer has called his all-in, so is well aware he is in the hand. How anyone can think the dealer has not made a mistake is beyond me.

Surely if cards are behind the line that should be protection enough.

what if there isn't a line, as there isn't on some self deal games?

i don't understand how you can move all in and not hold your cards!!!

Do you just sit back and leave them lying around on the table?

i leave them on the table in front of me?

i dont use protectors?

there was a line on the table?

lol

I dont know what else to do except cradle them like a baby humming ancient ritual chants,whilst doing the moonwalk

What about the card-protectors on the end of your arms ?

Your hand is dead and the last remaining player in the hand takes the pot.

There's never a situation where you -can't- protect your hand, in my opinion. That you forget/fail to do so is your own fault. Not going to comment on the rest because I don't agree with bad sportsmanship, particularly when you already said that you know it to be the correct ruling and tried to put added pressure on the TD by coming out with refusing to leave and phoning the police over a mistake that is yours.

Just hold them in your hand, its not that hard!!

You cheated imo given you know the correct rule yourself, hope it was worth it!

Are you a traffic warden?

no he's a licensed dealer in a big venue! (and a good one at that)

p.s he's right

of course

im joking

no offence intended

So there should be absolutely no bending of the rules,no common sense applied..

just asking,or will this invite the stroke merchants?

i have read here before that in big games hands are declared dead etc for infringements of a similar nature

Common sense would be to hold your cards!

i'll heed that

fair enough

especially next time im in the 1 seat

The correct ruling is that your hand is dead, however given

a) that the dealer is the other player
b) you are all in
c) there is no further action
d) and you can name your exact two cards before seeing the dealers card
e) you named q7 suited?
f) its a cash game

I think in the fairness of the game your cards should be recovered and the hand played out.

poor form

location of your cards in relation to a betting line is irrelevant

This rule is from Gala's 30 year old handbook.

I think it was created to avoid confrontation rather than address the interests of the game.

It's probably been changed by now but Gala are shit at communication, especially when it comes to poker.

If you don't use a protector or hold on to your cards then they will occasionally get scooped, especially if you are sat next to the dealer. It just happens sometimes.

Why did you let the dealer take your cards?

Not gonna comment on the ruling but if it is strictly enforced, couldnt it leave an opening for a player who is dealing to call and all in from seats 1 and 10 and "accidentally" muck the cards deom the all in person and scoop the pot without showdown?

The rule in general is a bit of a joke in Glasgow, in a different casino Ive seen seat 1 go all in and accidentally have his cards mucked by the dealer, reach into the muck to pull his cards out and pick up 2 cards that werent his then tell the TD what his cards were and get the cards back (to be fair he picked out pocket 3s so he was probs telling the truth...went on to flop a set though.)

And then in a 3rd casino I heard it was the FT bubble, on 1 table the short stack went all in blind and was called by the dealer who mucked the all in mans cards.  Since he couldnt tell the TD his cards as he was all in blind the TD had to go around everyone else on the table and take their cards out of the muck and give the all in man the 2 unclaimed cards lol

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lol @ the whole thread.

love all the super helpful people who keep saying that you should have locked the barn door.

Im not sure wot u mean tank?but im knackered.im beginning though to come to the conclusion that a 5-6 hour tourney,regardless of starting stack,is really a card catching contest,i would post my most recent ko hand,but cant be arsed.and on that note.good nite all.

Never heard the expression locking the barn door after the horse has bolted?