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For me this is up there with the Lions tours as the best non-football sporting event. It's so much better than watching any other golf.
I've looked at the odds and Europe are odds against? How? I'm thinking of backing us big. In fact i fancy us in alot of markets (to win day 1, to win day 2, to win day 3, winning after day 1, winning after day 2, first team to go 1 up, first team to score a point) but i wanted to know if there was some major reason why USA are now just about the same odds as us to win it?

Home advantage i'd imagine as player for player Europe have it...

Right now Betfair has:

Europe - 2.04
USA - 2.28
Tie - 13.5

If you can get odds against at a bookies I'd take it.

I want the US in this if they move to slight underdogs.

Not much in the teams, particularly as the bottom 5-6 of the European team are so inexperienced compared to normal teams

A lot of the US team know the course v v  well too, watch out for J B Holmes

I want Europe to smash the septics, but I want Poulter to lose every match.

Being at home is a significant advantage, but so to is the fact that Tiger Woods is not playing.  I am of the understanding that the American team is much more united without Tiger, and the players also want to show that they can win without him.  He is not respected anywhere near as much by his countrymen as he is everywhere else in the world, and there is a firm belief that they will perform better without him.

It is also felt that Nick Faldo has made a couple of major errors already, firstly with the fact that he is only taking Olazabel to help him. I, as many others believe that he needs more help out on the course, and more experience in making the key decisions on partnerships and final day positions.  Also in his wild card picks he has not picked players in form, and coupled with the inexperience of some of the players, Europe could be up against it.

I sincerely hope that i am wrong, but i think that the USA will win the Ryder Cup this year.

Aye looking forward to this :) I agree I think he should have made a few more co-captains :(

Why?

What do these co-captains actually do?

LOL my mate also thinks he is a knob but did think one of his quotes was brilliant.

When asked what is the worst thing anyone had said to him he replied "It's still you"  :D

Not so much co-captains, but people out with each group, telling him who is playing well in the morning, who seems to be struggling and should maybe not play in the afternoon - little things like that can make all the difference.

has he not taken Monty to help then? big mistake if not imo. if you're not having him playing you should still have him there, no-one else has his recent ryder cup experience coupled with his knowledge of both teams players

Not according to World Rankings we don't !!

I really want Europe to win this again but I'm afraid I just can't see it as Faldo has left himself with very few obvious partnerships, unless I'm wrong he has Garcia and Westwood/Stenson, Casey and Poulter/Rose, Harrington and Mcdowell after that he's struggling for natural partnerships which is why leaving Clarke out was unbelievable.

I just think that this time round for the first time in years Europe doesn't have a player who you could pretty much pair with any other member of the team and make a decent partnership (like Langer used to and I think someone like Darren Clarke could), Luke Donald is a big miss I think as he'd have made a great partner for Oliver Wilson who may well have to be paired with either Casey or Westwood now which means splitting one of his top partnerships.

Also agree with the point about Faldo only having Olazabal for help on the course, that's not enough people IMO.

So I can see a US win this time (I just hope it's close).

Faldo's strength-his impregnable self belief-can also be his weakness

With 4 matches on the go, its usual to have "spotters"/asssistants usually called vice or co captains on each group reporting to the captain so as to help formulate future strategy etc

Faldo could be a brilliant captain, but he's unlikey to be as inclusive as most and it will be interesting to see if European team spirit is there, as it was say fantastically last time in Ireland, when things go a bit pear shaped as they are bound to occasionally

You just wanted to see the ensuing fight if he had  :D

I also fancy the americans for this ,it's so strange that tiger not being there can be a positive for them.Also have my doubts about faldo.

Sorry , I cant accept the fact that the best golfer ever, being injured is a plus for any side, even his his record is nothing to write home about...

I understand what you are saying, but this is an individual sport, that has a team game once every couple of years.  All the attention goes on Tiger Woods, and despite what anyone says, this has to affect the other players and make them feel less important to the team.

IMO i dont think it is any coincidence that Europe have won the last 3 Ryder Cups whilst Tiger has been at the top of the sport.

i also want europe to win big, and for nick faldo to get food poisoning at the celebration dinner...

Azinger wanted him there as his right man, or one of, so he thinks Tiger has an absolute positive effect on the side. When playing surely the other players look at the next match etc, and see Tiger getting ready in the locker room, would you really want anybody else instead of him to hole that crucial putt?  Must give them confidence to have him there...

we''ll agree to disagree!

I think had the USA performed better over the last 3 Ryder Cups then it maybe wouldnt be so much of an issue, but you do get a lot of stories come out of the American camp that it is difficult being on the same team as Tiger.

There is no right answer so i'll agree to disagree as well  (unless the USA win in which case i will be proved right  ;) )

I think to some extent you are both right - in the singles I think there's no doubt Tiger must be an inspiration to the rest of the US team, but in the fourballs and foursomes he's never yet had a steady partnership which has worked and I think that to some extent this unsettles the team because if Tiger can't find that chemistry with someone then what chance have the mere mortals got!!

was looking at prices for top point scorers.  mcdowell was 20/1 for top uk scorer and 1/4 1st 3.  suppose it depends who plays who, dunno what his match play is like. also 40/1 for top scorer

tiger woods is a huge miss. I wouldn't play him in foursomes but I'd take him in the other three rounds for any team.

I am gutted he didnt pick Clarke, Poulter should not be there in Clarke's place.
That being said I now hope he does well.

Faldo is very experienced in the Ryder Cup so if he feels he only needs 1 co captian then I am sure it will be fine. Dont forget that on the first 2 days there will only be 8 members of the team on the course at any one time so there are always 4 other players to use in that capacity. And on sunday it doesnt matter anyway once all the players are out.

Azinger is no hero either. Famous quote by Seve a few years back "The american team is 11 nice guys and Paul Azinger".

I think this one is too close to call to be honest.

I love the Ryder cup. When its close it is without doubt the best sporting event on TV.
Even though we won, the fact that the last 2 have not been close has detracted from the entertainment value a bit.

I hope we win but I hope we edge it in a tight tussle on Sunday.

Booked the afternoon off work on Friday to sit in the pub and watch it. Cant wait

Henrik Stenson top points scorer 16/1

do you think he will play every match? I wouldnt have thought so, hence the price

He's about 6th shortest in the market!

Yeah, I think he will.

I like the look of that.

I've noticed you're not his biggest fan.

What did he do ?  Shag your granny ?

This is the first time in over twenty years I've been totally confident that we're going to stuff the Yanks.

That's an absolute drubbing for Europe pretty much guaranteed then, I'm afraid.

No, My granny would never have slept with a gooner :)

Truth is, Poulter is everything I dislike in a person who is mediocre in his field, he is brash arrogant and deluded... and he supports the @rse.

im supporting the americans because of faldo and poulter

so shoot me!

want europe to win. can't stand those two either though remind me of typical golf gimps at my local courses. public courses ftw!!

Damn, I think your granny's hot.

I'd best keep my head down then, I can honestly deny 'brash', but apart from that I'm in trouble.

I prefer to see him as a man of limited ability maximising his earning potential

Did anyone see the Faldo press conference last night - he seems to be losing it IMO.

I have never liked the guy, despite the fact he is probably the best ever British golfer, he is so self-centrered and arrogant.  From stories in the past, i am not sure that too many of today's players particularly like him and that cannot be good for team morale.

If it wasnt for the fact that i want Europe to win so much, i would be putting a bet on the USA, but really want to be sitting there sunday night cheering us on so instead just a couple of small bets for me on Kim to be top USA point scorer and Jiminez to be top Europe point scorer.

Yeah looked really uncomfortable infront of the press.  Hopefully Europe crush it all the same.

lol Faldo at the American reporter who said Ma-tur-aty and Faldo was like wha wha?

Ok Faldo's no good with the media.  Ok so he's arrogant.  He was the world's number 1 golfer ffs.  You don't get there without arrogance.

Admittedly he's never got on with Monty etc.  Which, I think is why he didn't pick Clarke - he wanted the younger generation that would look up to him as a legend, rather than see him as a pain in the bum peer. ( Which is possibly a mistake that might well come back to bite him ).

Poulter is making as much money as his limited talent will allow.  He definately wasn't the best pick for Faldo to make - Clarke would have been a much stronger team player.

But he's not an awful player, and even with him included , I think the Yanks are as weak as they have been as individuals.  I just worry that Azinger's will to win will be contagious.

I think a lot of it is down to the rookies.  Rose, Wilson and McDowell, have gotta be better than Weekley, Curtis, Kim, Holmes and Mahan combined.

And their more experienced guys are experienced in getting their buts kicked.

I'm not too bothered about co-captains.  Every guy out there is like a captain on the course.

Go go Team Euro.

Poulter is officially ranked at #25 in the world ffs, that is not mediocre by anyone's standards except maybe Tiger's.

Please don't get sucked in by Kev's bigotry against anything and anyone even vaiguely connected with Arsenal FC.

Poulter is well worth his pick and is also well worth a small wager at the 20/1 on BF to be "top European" imho.

It would possibly be the most amusing thing ever if poulter was top european just for how much it would tilt Kev.GL Poulter & Co.

When I say limited, I mean he's not going to get to the top.  I don't mean it as an insult.  I think Steve Davis is the best of having limited talent, but making the most of it, unlike, say, an Alex Higgins, who had too much talent, and never made the most of it.

To me respect is due to someone who maximises their ability, over someone who wastes it.

But Clarke would definately have been the better choice.  Poulter has got a reasonable game, but he's not a proven recent winner.  Clarke has won two tourneys this year.

I don't dislike Poulter, but I don't like him enough to want to argue with someone who I won't change their opinion, and I don't really care enough to be bothered.  So lets put that to one side, and look at other things which are more interesting.

I think Poulter isn't going to have as much influence as a Captain's choice should have.

Poulters a first class cock but he aint that bad a player, sure clarke was a better pick but thats in the past.

Garcia for top euro player!

Nah.

Harrington to step up to the plate.

I cant beleive you can say that Steve Davis has limited talent! He is without doubt in the top 3 snooker players of all time! I think i understand what you were trying to say regarding Alex Higgins having shedloads of ability but not working at it but i think you need to revise your pick for limited ability who works really hard!

It is a bit crazy to say Steve Davis had Limited ability he maybe reached the full potential of his ability but he is a snooker legend and one of the best to play the game imo.

LOL at my bigotry of anyone or anything connected with the @rse ... In truth, if he was a spurs fan I would still dislike him in equal measures, he is arrogant, brash and has delusions as to his ability , he is a good golfer, he makes a good living at the game, thats a given and a fact that no one can argue against ... but when said prick decides to spout off about how he & Tiger are the only 2 players out there that can play the game, well thats where Ego outweighs his ability a billion fold.

If he had actually won anything of note, then fair enough ... making a living in the pie & pea tournaments because you can consistently make cuts isnt good enough. if you run your mouth off with ridiculous statements you are going to get slaughtered.  same goes for his "attire" if you are going to dress like a fkin clown, then you really shouldnt play like one, drawing attention to yourself in the way he does is quite frankly embarrassing, and he does it because his game is not good enough to win a major.

Lets be honest, If poulter never wore clown outfits and never courted the media by going out on the piss with his showbiz chums (A couple of members of westlife LMFAO)
no one would know that much about him as he is a mediocre player that has a level of ability to make up the numbers and make a living without winning tournaments.

Rant over, like i said previously, I hope we spank the yanks, but I hope poulter has a mare !

Scenario for you Kev

Poulters the last game out on sunday on the last hole he has a put to win or lose the Ryder cup he sinks it we win he misses we lose.Would you want him to make the putt?

PS I agree with what your saying.

NO.

Seriously ???

In fact that would be my dream scenario, the headlines "POULTER COSTS EUROPE THE RYDER CUP" would be fantastic.

Yes seriously ... to have someone like him (who shouldnt even be in the team) lauded and feted as a hero would seriously stick in my throat.

 rotflmfao Fair enough

FYP

It seems alot of you guys seem to resent Nick Faldo , i can't see why , sure he may have come across aloof and pompous or whatever in his day , but you can't fault a guy that was driven by been one of the best of all time , and alot like steve davis who has been mentioned in this thread , he was not particularly liked during his heyday but both imo have mellowed out in there old age and have shown character im sure people did'nt know they had, Faldo doing the commentary for u.s tv been an example

Anyway talk of wanting Europe to lose just because of Faldo or his wildcard picks is horseshit imo .

Poulter has already sunk the put that won us the Ryder Cup. I'd happily settle for him to do it again.
COME ON EUROPE!

Exactly.

Steve Davis is one of my sporting heroes.

But he wasn't one of the most naturally talented players out there.

Apart from Higgins, look at players like O'sullivan, Hendry, Williams, White, Reardon. To name a few

So talent wise he's somewhere in the top 10.  But success wise he's 2nd to Hendry. The difference between the Readon era, and Davis was huge.  But the difference between Davis and Hendry was titchy in comparison.

Davis is the most important man in the history of the game imo.  But naturally he wasn't the most talented.  A huge amount of his success was down to hard work and dedication.

BTW Faldo is another of my heroes.  He had one of the best games of all of the British players ( The European tour was still mainly GB & Ire + Sevvy at the time ) but knew enough that he destroyed his game for 3 years to come back with an unshakable swing that would stand up under limitless pressure.   It was only his putting going off that stopped him staying at the top for even longer.

A lot of his arrogance was down to his drive to win.  A trait missing in most British sportsmen ( Poulter included, I fear ), but one which should be respected, not despised.  On the course he played a more gentlemanly game than someone like Sevvy, who was better at the pr, but definitely included gamesmanship in amongst his weaponry.  ( Of course Sevvy winding up the Yanks was a good thing - not the same at all  ;) )

Also anyone that carries on playing when they know their game is second best also rates hugely as far as I'm concerned.  Sandy Lyle's love for the game was a case in point.  And I hope Monty gets his game back enough to compete in the Ryder cup again.

If Poulter were to go in the rough and hurt his wrist so badly he couldn't play again it wouldn't be a shame. Having seen the way he treats people and the things he does whilst on tour and heard that they are not one off i can only agree with Kev.

Hopefully Valhalla is one of those courses with Crocs and he gets what he deserves.

Sandy

I rest my case.

PS Exactly which part of "captain's pick" are you struggling to comprehend when you say that Poulter "shouldn't be in the team"?

Stenson's initials the only ones not on Faldo's paper, anyone know anything?

The part where it was a stitch up and poulter had been picked before the final qualifying event which he didnt bother to play, because faldo had already given him the nod, thus treating 2 Ryder cup heroes in Clarke & Monty with utter disrespect and contempt, thats Faldo's fault, not Poulters. Poulters only crime is being too fucking dim to realise that by not playing the final qualifier he would lose a lot of respect from his team mates.

I'm afraid that your total disdain for all things Poulter is seriously affecting your thinking Kev.

Qualifying events including the final qualifying event are to establish who qualifies by right, they do not necessarily have an impact on who the captain decides to select as his non-qualified "picks".

Captain's picks are subjective and as such cannot be "right" or "wrong".

It's the same as saying that green is better than purple or even that red and white is better than black and white  ::)

If he wasnt an @rse fan Ralph, would you stick up for him as much ?

He didn't want a sandwich?

You're wrong about Poulter Kev. You say he has made his money by making cuts in 'pie and pea' tournaments,well i believe he has 3 top 30 finishes in this year's majors,including a 2nd in The Open. It's a long time since Darren Clarke has been in contention for a major,he possibly never will be again.
 IF Faldo gave Poulter the nod he was going to be in the team before the last qualifying event,i personally don't see the problem.

As for Monty,his form simply doesn't warrant a place on the team.

 ;applause; ;applause; ;applause;

so funny.

Geo

Kev, I bet on golf quite a lot, more than any other sport probably and Poulter has been a player whom I have followed closely for a number of years and he has been profitable to follow, winning at least one major tourney each year for the last five or six years often at big prices.

Believe it or not I did not even know that he was a Gooner until you started going on about him.

I quite like Poulter, he's often quite entertaining imo.

Karabiner, surely he can't be that profitable to follow? 7 wins in 8 years.

Is faldo's speech the worst ever ???

Poulet take those aviators off you fud!!!

Top ranked player that didn't qualify automatically.
Has won the Ryder cup before and his half sealed the win.
It's not like he's selected Monty and you can really argue against the inclusion. Gutted not to see Clarke there but we have more chance of winning with Poulter.

The teams for the morning foursomes are out and I think its already advantage USA. I don't think Faldo has got it right and I think team USA have got it spot on.

I am amazed to see that Europe seem to be favourites in all but the 1st match out and I hope to take advantage of some generous pricing in the betting markets.

Obviously I want Europe to win the Ryder cup but I always bet with my head and not my heart.

Match 1 - Mickelson/Kim v H'ngton/Karlsson -
Karlson is the man on form here and I expect Harrington to handle the pressure situation far better than Mickelson who's form in the Ryder cup is poor. Mickelson is not a good foursomes player and more suited to the risk reward of fourball. 
Verdict - Harrington & Karlson to win  -  2.32

Match 2 - Leonard/Mahan v Stenson/Casey
I don't think this is a good pairing for the Europeans. Casey is out of form and his putting is suspect.
Verdict - Leonard & Mahan to win -  2.66

Match 3 - Cink/Campbell v Rose/Poulter
Rose & Poulter will be worn down by these two who are ultra consistant. To win they will need to get on fire and I cant see it. They should not be favourites in the match.
Cink & Campbell to Win - 2.42

Match 4 -Perry/Furyk v Westwood/Garcia
What a match this is going to be. Perry is playing the golf of his life at nearly 50 and has a brilliant record of getting the job done when the pressure is on. Furyk has recently come back to his best form and when he gets hot. Garcia is for me the best in the world at the moment playing some outstanding golf. Westwood is Mr consistant and if only he could putt. I expect this to be a very close match which is why I am amazed that Europe are the big odds on favourites. I think USA will win what will be a very close match and with favorable odds I will be lumping on
 Perry& Furyk to Win - 2.96 -

Thes are just my opinions and I will happily be shot down if I get it all wrong.

I believe Azinger had 4 captains picks, against Faldo's 2.

Maybe we should give the captain ( maybe with a selection committee - discuss ) 4 picks as well.  

I mean, the guys at the tail end of automatic selection won't have won any huge tournaments, they'll just have played regularly, making plenty of cuts.

And there's nothing to stop the captain picking them anyway, if he wants to.  It's not like they'll be excluded from selection.

In this case I'd have got rid of Hansen, and picked Clarke, keeping Wilson.  So it's not a radically different team.  But then it wouldn't be overshadowing the victory we should hopefully be celebrating in a couple of days time.

A few years ago it would have been an automatic choice to put the Scandies together, the Spanish together etc.

It's interesting to see that nowadays the team is so integrated that it doesn't matter any more.

I'm thinking 3-1 to Europe.

But I'll take 2.5 - 1.5

Chris, you seem to be overlooking the fact that the USA have an abysmal record at foursomes over the last decade.

I predict 3.5/0.5 to team Europe after the mornimg's play ;)

Same as Shatner for me
3-1 Europe with the English pair to lose
I'd take 2.5-1.5 if the opening pair only tie

2-2 for me.

USA to win matches 1 and 3
Europe to win 2 and 4.

Not long to go!  I'm off in a minute to Sainsburys for my bacon, sausages and French stick before heading home for my customary pre Ryder Cup lunch and settling in to the sofa for the rest of the day.

Good luck with your bets everyone, just a few small match bets for me and I haven't had the chance to random guess study the pairings yet.

True Ralph it is not something I have taken into consideration which may be to my cost. but I still stand by my picks.

dunno why, but I assumed it was on bbc. Obviously I can get 5 live on audio.

but is there any link to watch it on my 'pooter?  ( I don't have sky )

You can watch it if you are a skybet customer.
You have to enter a promotional code and they will send you a link to watch it apparently.

That's cool from Skybet.

www.myp2p.eu will have links for it on if you can't sort out Sky

lol

Who would you not like to share a tent with

Boo Weekly because he doesn't like showers
:D

If you go to www.pga.com I'm pretty sure you will be able to watch there

I'm on 3-1 Europe for the opening session and individual bets on Harrington/Karlsson, Westwood/Garcia and Rose/Poulter

http://it.justin.tv/eminem153rd

COME ON POD!
1up

cheers kev, sky still not come thru, sigh.

On the tee representing Europe ... coco the fkin clown & Justin Rose ;)

An hour on, I'm still rooting for sky to come through.

Have I missed much ?

Still?

I handed in the appliction 5 days ago, i said it would take 2-3 weeks.

Chillax imo.

Yeh it's awesome viewing

1 up in the first 2 matches

Cheers Kev.

Sky have just admitted that they can't help me.

An hour after first asking them, I'd rather raised my hopes for better than that.

Spotted in the chat on Kev's link - LOL

I thought you ran the show.  DSFFS.

watch it in pop out, you dont have to see the muppets in chat then

Amazing stat about Stewart Cink on the radio just now.

He's won over $24m in prize money, yet he's only ever won 5 tournaments.

Why do they say "Lovely golf shot" Surely the word "Golf" is superfluous?

cheer for link, watching now at work :)

fek me Poulter is gonna win every match just to spite Kev and the rest will lose

Whoever did the design for the Euro shirts was a bit of a git imo.

It was obvious who the main members would be ages ago.

And Westwood doesn't suit a hoop.

 ;topofclass;

2-2 is not good enough for Europe. But nearing the halfway stage i still think we could do them 4-0 so its not over.

LOL going well, but lets be honest, the yanks have gifted them everything so far ... Poulters mediocrity is enough when his oppos keep playing shite ;)

I can't have sound on because i'm at work. Is this actually a blessing?
How often are there "GET IN THE HOLE!" shouts?

of course when poulter fires into a bunker on a par 3 ......

40,000 tickets a day sold. How much are they, £10ish a ticket?

tom more like $200-300 bucks,,
anyone know where i can watch this live on my laptop???

towards the bottom of page 6 of this thread kev posted a link.

http://it.justin.tv/eminem153rd

i owe u 1 mate.,,.been looking all day thnx.,.,

Sergio is putting me on tilt.
Need Casey to step up and take at least a half.

USA having a purple patch here

ffs wifes already sending me texts "USA USA".

Grounds for divorce ?

Supporting Man Utd is grounds for divorce, supporting the USA team in the ryder cup is grounds for murder!

It's going wrong.

Plenty of time yet

I hope

got to love the swings in these matches.

wp Casey ... sigh.

wp Poulter [ ] Im shocked.

God its sending me on life tilt. Gonna stop watching this at work.

Board is redding up

[X] Will take 2-2

Sorry, but I really hate Perry's swing.

Putting Poulter & rose out again in Aft.

compulsive viewing isnt it ... I slightly hate myself, cos I am actually rooting for Poulter  ;dingdell;

So you flipping should be, get over it or else ;nemesis;

FFS

Top bokking by Kev

FFS Kenny Perry has put me on life tilt. What a fkn bottler.

misses 2 five footers on 16 & 17 to win the match and then sticks it in the water on 18.

FFS totally steaming.

Cant even think about having another bet today.

even though I got 2 out of 4.............

Here comes the swing. Anyone spotted why we can't seem play the back 9?

other link has gone tits up for me now .. heres another http://it.justin.tv/live24xtra

very drunnk after taking afternoon off but best aporting event on tv


shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip europpe

after all the stick Poulter has been euro playr of the day

of the afternoon ... he choked in the morning session.

Got the point, wp Poults!

Why aren't you in Luton Kev?  No Karaoke for you?

not making the bash mate ... gutted :(

What?  Oh no!  Sorry to hear that :(

if we can find a way to get to 5 3 it would be a huuuuuge result

Been a shocking day for us today, need to sort it out tomorrow or we're going to lose.  Would hate to be in a position where we need to clean up in the singles!

Yeah, need to sink some putt's.

My bets on Poulter and Rose to be top Euros aren't looking too bad :)

;tightend; ;tightend;

My bets were shocking, 7 in all, all lost

FML

Nice work Ralph, you are the King of golf betting, I should stick with you!

this is getting silly, so so depressing.

 

Av it, what a chip!

its just aswell wayne rooney's first name isnt Boo like this yank bloke

very very very drunk btw. i eye shut typing

Getting smashed FTW!

chop chop.

feels much better than 6-2 would.

hopefully can get it going 2moro.

Ok, so you're Nick Faldo.

WTF do you say today to lift these guys ?

To me, it looked like the pairings were fine - we were pretty much winning every game after nine holes ( or looking comfortably behind, at worst ).  Then we fell apart time and time and time again over the run in.

Missing wedges to the green and the like.  FFS even I can hit a green with a wedge.

Is it just down to bottle ?  Or is there something constructive that can be done ?

Coz if we do that every round, it's going to get embarrassing

VARIANCE!!!!!

Borrox !!

I'll hit the green about 50/50 at the moment.   Give me 3 months practise and I'll do it 80-85% of the time.

These guys play every day, and have earned millions of $$. 

To them it should be a case of how near the pin, not how near the green.  There's no wind to speak of, the rough isn't scary.

It's just down to bottle.

Aye ok its that easy-thats why I gave it up

What handycap did you get to ?

I think it's too easy to just write it off as bottle. I think the US raised there game with the hal of home advantge over the back 9. Another good start here. Would be nice to have some good finishes too.

Has any one got a link to a sky sports stream? I'm watching a quality NBC one but not sure how much of this yank commentary i can take...

What the Fks up with Butch Harmons eye? He sometimes talks with his left eye closed which annoys the pants off me, I'm assuming he actually has something wrong with it?

[  ]   Ian Poulter is not justifying his selection at all

[  ]    He is playing awful stuff altogether

Also Woodsey i'm fairly sure i heard before that  there is something medically wrong with butch, just cant remember what

Got a Double on Perry & Furyk with Athletico Madrid in the footy.

He had a stroke a year or two ago - wasn't looking good for him at one point but he's back to coaching one of the best two players in the world.

I'd love to see some sort of reality TV show where he takes a 28, an 18 and a 10 handicapper for coaching for a year. Actually scrap that, I'd just love him to coach me for a year. The guy is the absolute bollox on creating and analysing golf swings.

 2d 7h  ;tracet; ;grr;

Watched the highlights on the bbc last night. That was some dam good golf. I despise Poulter but he was on fire, well played to the man. Hope he wins his singles today aswell.

Risky leaving Harrington and Westwood until last. I really don't like Faldo, he can't deal with critiscm at all, just ignored the question when Lineker asked him about his selections. Monty FTW!

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i really fancy europe from behind after seeing the pair ups.,.,..,and no not up the arse.,,.

Hands up time, as much as i despise Pouter, he has played superbly and has totally justified his selection. Regardless of his singles result he has without doubt been the best european player this weekend.

god that hurt.

Cos I'm rubbish at golf betting, I read the names out to my daughter and shes picked them all for me today, pound on each of the matches plus £1 on an acca on them all, £6.5k if she comes good!

one time.
   1. Campbell v Harrington
      Harrington P @ 1.67

   1. Curtis v Westwood
      Westwood L @ 1.73    

   1. Stricker v Poulter
      Poulter I @ 2.10

   1. Cink v McDowell
      Cink S @ 2.20

   1. Furyk v Jimenez
      Jimenez M-A @ 2.50

   1. Holmes v Hansen
      Hansen S @ 2.20

   1. Weekley v Wilson
      Weekley B @ 1.83

   1. Perry v Stenson
      Perry K @ 2.15

   1. Mickelson v Rose
      Rose J @ 2.62

   1. Leonard v Karlsson
      Karlsson R @ 2.15

   1. Mahan v Casey
      Casey P @ 2.20

   1. Kim v Garcia
      Garcia S @ 1.83

QFT

Graham, whats a point on putting a pound on each of the matches?

Make like 67p if Harrington wins, 73p if Westwood does, shipit.

Poulter is well worth his pick and is also well worth a small wager at the 20/1 on BF to be "top European" imho.
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I hope you're on too Kev <chirp chirp>

I've picked out a couple of singles matches that I feel to be good value:

Ollie Wilson @2.6 v the uncouth hill-billy, and Anthony Kim @2.9 v (a somewhat out of form imo) Sergio Garcia

Super sick inside scoop here. I played with Ollie once in a under 18's county golf match and he was always known as a fearsome matchplay player, so I think 2.6 is really great value.

Wilson, mcdowell and poulter have been dropping putts which will be key in winning matches today. I think it's on. A bit a rain would be nice too. 

Looks like we're all on Wilson then.....

I text my Dad's mate who is electric @ Golf asking for his best bet today and he told me to get on Oliver Wilson @ 6/4.

I know naff all about sports betting but Jimenez is 2.98 to beat furyk, alone else think that seems like good value?

LOL obv not then.....

Furyk was hitting some pretty sweet shots yesterday, hitting the greens close to the pin for most of the day. Jimenez was playing well but i think Furyk will be too strong for him.

Jimenez, Wilson and McD for me.

Think the Sergio game is huge, he needs to win to show the others the way IMO.

McD is lock of the day for me as long as the game is still live when his match matters.
I hope Rose destroys the lefty too - this is going to be fun, fun, fun.

Anyone got a decent link to watch this tonight?

I will have when i get home from work @ 5.40pm and find one.

The one i posted on page six will be showing it.

http://it.justin.tv/eminem153rd

Nice one, thanks.

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Fk it had little bet on Wilson @ 2.74 on betfair.

Come on Europe.

We've definately all bokked Wilson!

I would be wary about getting too involved in later matches as they are not always played out 100% if the main event is already decided, eg Niklaus giving Jacklin a six foot putt at the last for a half.

. . . .but if betting with a European heart they are needed today ;)

I've got no picture on that link Kev. Anyone else having problems?

I'm watching it on NBC and it's already tilting me. The theme music sounds like its out of Pirates of the Caribbean.

http://www.mogulus.com/eminem15

they keep switching ffs http://it.justin.tv/eminem153rd is back on now

ty. Does yours say Ross at the top of screen or does it know my name?

LOL yeah, its Ross ...

pissing me off now all this chopping and changing, was perfect on JTV

My personalised one is working fine for me.

Garcia and Casey need to get the finger out.

ffs gone off on both now. Back to NBC for now.


NBC link for anyone who wants it, you'll want to turn the commentary off though. Opens in Windows Media Player
mms://a1931.l4587855930.c45878.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1931/45878/v0001/reflector:55930

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/uefa-soccer

That link is better than Kev's Cowboy job obv.

Just done these Trebles & an Acca, just for interest really, bonus if i win;

Accumulator (4) (To win)  1 £10.00/Trebles from 4 (To win)  4 £90.00   
          J Leonard / R Karlsson Singles  J Leonard  11/10   
          H Mahan / P Casey Singles H Mahan  5/4 
          B Weekley / O Wilson Singles O Wilson  11/8 
          J Furyk / M-A Jimenez Singles J Furyk  5/6 

WP Sergio ... SIGH !

Thts the same NBC one i'm watchin on WM. Yankfest.

Soooo bad. Splash splash

Just thought of a way Poulter could become acceptable  ... at some time today if he twats Kim and sparks him he would be my hero.

Kim really is asking for a slap. $10 to the player who hits him first. $20 if done with a driver.

missed that what did Kim do?

Holed too many birdies

Im gonna have to switch off, garcia has put me on life tilt.

I only had £14 in the account and I wanted to see if my daughter could pick better than me!  It's not about the money, it's about winners.

all scores added, USA 3 up i make it, still very close...

Garcia gone,

10 - 7

europe to retain the cup 14-14 imho.,.,.,

The Casey Mahan match is looking pivotal.

I fkin hate the Americans cheering every bad shot a European plays.

And i despise Boo Weekly.

Oliver Wilson is doing well for us.

































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The advert for the discovery channel on NBC is tilting me as well. Apart from the bit where Stephen Hawking chips in.

Bitch-slapped Sergio 6&4 one less than a dog-license.

Not looking good at all.

Still, Ryder Cup >>>>> Sunday Donkaments

Boo Weekly is fantastic!

But you wouldn't want to bump into him and his family on a fishing trip upriver...

lol probably not, but I bet he'd be handy to have if you were going on the trip anyway :D

Well played USA, some amazing golf has been played and they deserved the win.

LeKnave's £150 will feel so sweeeeeeet. gg

fair play. they deserved it.......... just

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Europe has the top 4 tennis players in the world.

Cheers