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Title: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: MC on September 19, 2008, 01:55:13 AM Not mega complicated hand just curious what peoples lines are on the turn especially...
1) How do you play the flop? Bear in mind that "limeSM" timed out to check the flop, but returned after lancy222 bet. 2) Check, bet or shove? the turn? (Some ppl are probably going to told me I should have folded pre seeing as starting stack only 1500 :)) ***** Hand 1242752561 ***** 50.00/100.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - Friday, September 19, 2008 12:49:47 AM Fast & Furious 15k (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: Atkinator- (1500.00) Seat 2: PiCorreia (1505.00) Seat 3: limeSM (3028.00) Seat 4: azzad2007 (1710.00) Seat 5: SoSickFish (10.00) Seat 6: pokerfox8 (3176.00) Seat 7: PLstrider (1335.00) Seat 9: Lancy222 (1499.00) Seat 10: frands8 (1237.00) frands8 post SB 50.00 Atkinator- post BB 100.00 ** Deal ** Atkinator- [ Td, Qd] PiCorreia [N/A, N/A] limeSM [N/A, N/A] azzad2007 [N/A, N/A] SoSickFish [N/A, N/A] pokerfox8 [N/A, N/A] PLstrider [N/A, N/A] Lancy222 [N/A, N/A] frands8 [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** PiCorreia Fold limeSM Raise to 225.00 azzad2007 Fold SoSickFish Fold pokerfox8 Fold PLstrider Fold Lancy222 Call 225.00 frands8 Fold Atkinator- Call 225.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [5h, Qs, Tc] *** Bet Round 2 *** Atkinator- Check limeSM Check Lancy222 Bet 200.00 Atkinator- Call 200.00 limeSM Call 200.00 *** Turn(Board): *** : [5h, Qs, Tc, Jh] *** Bet Round 3 *** Atkinator- ........... Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: LuckyLloyd on September 19, 2008, 02:05:06 AM I really dislike how you got here. You should fold OR shove preflop (shoving if you think the original raiser is raising frequently and you have seen him fold to a 3 - bet before).
As it is, there is 1275 in the middle and you are playing 1075 in a multiway pot. The board is now very draw heavy and if you shove now they will usually find it difficult to fold either a pair or a draw at these levels. So I would just do that as you increase the likelihood of them making a mistake. Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: AlexMartin on September 19, 2008, 02:09:12 AM pew is horrid imo, flop u shd crai to protect oop and when stacks this fragile.
Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: MC on September 21, 2008, 12:06:38 AM Yeah fair play, no need to play funky in this hand.
No need to shove here PF, I'd be folding most of the time...one of those quick decisions cos raise was small and knew for this player that wasn't a monster. I bet the turn and they both folded btw. Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: thetank on September 21, 2008, 12:16:00 AM I probably check raise the small flop bet in a multi-way pot like this, or everyone is seeing the turn way too cheap.
Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: Longy on September 21, 2008, 04:04:22 PM I fold this pre every time and deffo check raise the flop.
As played i would just shove it in as the board is quite drawy. Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: david3103 on September 22, 2008, 10:59:03 AM I fold this pre every time and deffo check raise the flop. As played i would just shove it in as the board is quite drawy. every time? Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: Longy on September 22, 2008, 01:03:51 PM I fold this pre every time and deffo check raise the flop. As played i would just shove it in as the board is quite drawy. every time? Yes if i was given this hand 100 times and there had been a raise from ep in an stt, i would fold 100 times. Playing oop against someone who's range has your hand crushed this shallow, is not a good idea imo. Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: david3103 on September 22, 2008, 03:52:58 PM I fold this pre every time and deffo check raise the flop. As played i would just shove it in as the board is quite drawy. every time? Yes if i was given this hand 100 times and there had been a raise from ep in an stt, i would fold 100 times. Playing oop against someone who's range has your hand crushed this shallow, is not a good idea imo. Can't argue with that. I wish the numpty on the button last night thought the same... Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: Rupert on September 22, 2008, 09:48:16 PM preflops really bad, id probs crai on the flop as tons of worse hands are gonna call off. dont mind calling and going for some sort of cr situation on the turn though as there arent a ton of really bad turn cards either. but preflops terrible
Title: Re: Another QT ... just wondering how you'd play this... Post by: ThatsSoMinusEV on September 29, 2008, 09:12:44 AM Pre-flop is spew. You have 15bbs and imo your stack is more useful open-shoving then cold-calling bets and trying to hit the flop hard. If the raise came from the hijack or later I'm snap 3bet shoving on the avr. opponent. Here the raise came from UTG+1 so his calling ur 3bet shove range has you crushed.
Flop is meh. You need to c/r AI on this board. A lot of 1 pair/gutterballs hit this flop so you could want to get it in now. On the turn, the jack is a horrible card. AK just got there, and you could argue that you could c/c down now, but i prefer shoving. Don't want a K or 9 to check back and spike and your'll still get value out of AQ/KQ hands which are likely |