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PokerStars Game #20823695571: Tournament #110966055, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/09/30 17:34:50 ET
Table '110966055 99' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: EvilPie (3302 in chips)
Seat 2: Lary18th (6650 in chips)
Seat 3: Fuji-Kun (2780 in chips)
Seat 4: tonnyvaneck (12445 in chips)
Seat 5: a.hede (2885 in chips)
Seat 6: DreamOnDream (5865 in chips)
Seat 7: TMoney0209 (2745 in chips)
Seat 8: toddosu (1420 in chips)
Seat 9: HABLAGRUESO (7960 in chips)
toddosu: posts small blind 25
HABLAGRUESO: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to EvilPie  ;carlocitrone;
EvilPie: calls 50
Lary18th: folds
Fuji-Kun: folds
tonnyvaneck: raises 200 to 250
a.hede: folds
DreamOnDream: folds
TMoney0209: folds
toddosu: folds
HABLAGRUESO: folds
EvilPie: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [2h Ts 9h]
EvilPie: checks
tonnyvaneck: bets 200
EvilPie: raises 300 to 500
tonnyvaneck: calls 300
*** TURN *** [2h Ts 9h]  Ahrt
EvilPie: bets 500
tonnyvaneck: calls 500
*** RIVER *** [2h Ts 9h Ahrt] Td
EvilPie: checks
tonnyvaneck: bets 2150

I've just got to this table so have no information on oppo. I'm assuming he plays a lot of pots because he's about 10th in chips at the moment. I've flat called his raise thinking that there is a potential pay off against this player.

My questions are:-

What does my betting pattern say about my hand particularly the small check raise on the flop? Does this look weak?

What does he think I've got to shove here?

Has my oppo got anything at all?

How strong do I need to be to make the call?

I'd appreciate feedback on this hand mainly because I want to know what he thinks I've got.

He showed at the end so I can reveal everything after a few comments.

Thanks for any help

you river a monster but it's disguised by appalling PF play

he has air but thinks you can't call on a board that wet

Is that P a pre or a post?

Or maybe just both?

pre

Yes must admit it's suspect given my stack size.

Like I said though I think there's a potential good pay off against a player I'm assuming is very active so I'm getting 16 to 1 on my call. I don't think he gets away from many half hits giving the difference in our stacks and the tiny amount of damage it will do him.

fwiw I thought the same as you about his all in. It screams of air so do I call even if I've just been set mining?

not sure that question ever comes up as I don't think you play flop and turn like that if you've been set mining and missed do you?

So are you saying that my play looks like I've got a strong hand post flop?

Personally I think it looks like I've got a strong hand post flop. If he sees me as playing it strong then he isn't going to bluff so surely he has something?

did you have 88/Q 10/ 10 9   ?

No I only had 2 cards.

Might have to change the thread title.

I don't really want people guessing the hands I want analysis of what my play says about my hand particularly post flop.

Thankyou for your guess though.

nope, I think he has no idea what you have, your line says you've hit big as you say but he doesn't seem to have noticed

his play all the way through looks like a draw so he's either hit his flush or missed the straight. the bet looks like a last desperate attempt to win the pot with a busted straight draw, I wouldn't expect him to bet the flush that strongly on the river (except maybe the nut flush) as you probs only call with a bigger flush or boat so he's turning a hand with showdown value into a bluff.

with your play post flop and the board pairing I'm surprised he doesn't just check behind here on the river

I'm going to guess that you had QJ with either J or Q of hearts

Him, I dunno, A9 suited??

Figure a flush draw or good ten repops you on flop for sure. Boat or flush on river looks unlikely. Would consider calling with AJ and better based on action.

Cos I'm bored.

It looks to me like you havejacks 9 10.Post flop is standard play with overcards with top pair poor kicker.  Possible ak kq for oppo with Kh. Your
 check on the end gives him every chance to ask thask the ultimate questionhang himself

I'm probably so wrong...but i am playing like a donkey atm. :)

Pre reps drawing hand.

Flop reps either some c/r semi-bluff with OESD or FD. You could have flopped a set but the boards pretty wet so i'd expect you to protect you hand more. JJ is also possibilty too but again your more likely to open pre.

Turn you bet really small. Kind of weak, or like your trying to rep a flush. Set might bet weak here, but its more likely your on a bluff or a weak made hand.

River when you check, i think most flushes(if not all) are very unlikely along with sets and T9. Maybe you had something like 87s and gave up

Looks to me like he has AA even if I expect to get it in on this flop a lot. He's unlikely to fold to that small bet on the turn, and he could think you had a weak flush and attempting to create a crying call.

Doesn't make sense to me if you think your repping strength that you would check the river w a strong hand so thats why i think ur weak here

Yeah, I think you look weak as well, but of course that doesn't necessarily mean that you are. You could be playing a strong hand well. When you small c-r the flop you look quite strong, but the turn bet and river check look weak in comparison.

Your intention is to turn a loose? pre-flop call into a magical post-flop pay-off. So the small flop c-r fits in well with that mentality if you've hit like a set or something. He's got so many chips he's bound to spew a few right? But then the 500 turn bet looks weak. If the turn just made your hand then betting less than a 1/3 of the pot is a rather strange choice. I would check. If I did bet I would make it a 1/2 pot bet to get that value. There's no way this guy calls 500 but folds for 800, so there is no need to bet less. It looks a bit like you can't afford to bet more but you don't want to check because you know he will bet. And that looks weak. Of course when you check the river it kind of confirms the weakness. I really think you bet a hand here for that value again. Your oppo didn't show a real eagerness to juice up the pot on the turn so why would you check to him on the river?

Of course, because you look weak your oppo doesn't necessarily need to have a hand here. His confidence and stack are plenty enough reasons to explain his actions in the face of your weakness. So you don't exactly need a monster to be considering a call at this point.

Compo said you could have Jacks. Good spot that. I prob call this guy with Jacks because his bluffing potential is too high and his river bet is too big. I think it's a rather suicidal call though and don't like the position we find ourselves in. Trapping this guy with a hand rather than relying on our spidey senses seems like a better proposition to me.

Ok so here's the answer.

I had 9 10 so 2 pair on the flop then the house on the river was a cheeky bonus.

I'm a bit concerned about how I played it though.

I'm happy with my call pre because I suspect that I get paid if I hit. I'm reasonably happy about the small bet on the turn, the only card I can fold to is another heart and that's 4 to 1 so no big worry. I'm not trying to protect, I'm trying to maximise.

My concern is that even though I got paid I actually got lucky. I know I maximised but would I have maximised against many other players.

The oppo had KQ so complete air. I might not have got paid if he'd had something with any kind of showdown value.

Maybe this doesn't need analysing but I don't particularly like my play and just wondered what others thought knowing that I had a good hand start to finish.