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Title: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Newmanseye on October 03, 2008, 09:50:34 PM
Dealer: Starting a new hand (#1197000308)
Dealer: newmanseye1 posts Small Blind $0.10
Dealer: needforspeeed posts Big Blind $0.20
Dealer: niedob posts Big Blind $0.20
Dealer: Dealing cards
Dealer: Your cards 9c Ac
Dealer: alcyril calls $0.20
Dealer: Rommy15 folds
Dealer: niedob checks
Dealer: MightyMouse08 folds
Dealer: newmanseye1 calls $0.10
Dealer: needforspeeed checks
Dealer: Dealing Flop
6c Qc 9h
Dealer: newmanseye1 bets $0.80
Dealer: needforspeeed folds
Dealer: alcyril calls $0.80
Dealer: niedob calls $0.80
Dealer: Dealing Turn
6c Qc 9h Ad
Dealer: newmanseye1 bets $3.20
Dealer: alcyril raises to $8.80
Dealer: niedob folds

No way i can fold here, the turn just nailed down my coffin or did it?





Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 03, 2008, 09:53:18 PM
How deep are the stacks?  Its pretty much a call whatever they are anyway...


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Newmanseye on October 03, 2008, 09:56:24 PM
i had $20 he had $10 and i know its a call really with my outs but with his shove i have to give him some credit for a strong hand


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Ironside on October 03, 2008, 11:02:05 PM
i cant find a fold on flop or turn

dont tell me you ran into pocket 6 s


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: gatso on October 03, 2008, 11:14:17 PM
why are you trying to find a fold?


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Newmanseye on October 03, 2008, 11:17:50 PM
why are you trying to find a fold?

when he raises me on the river its obv he has me screwed like a footie players girl friend in a spit roasting, just from the way he played it, i wanted to find one but i cant with the outs

i cant find a fold on flop or turn

dont tell me you ran into pocket 6 s

yeh thats what he had


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: MC on October 04, 2008, 12:19:50 AM
why are you trying to find a fold?
^^Lol

Nothing you can do here dude. 2 Pair and the nut flush draw? Heads up in a pot this is unfoldable...


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: gatso on October 04, 2008, 12:25:26 AM
even if he flips his 66 face up this is almost a call


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Charlie44 on October 04, 2008, 12:46:31 AM
even if he flips his 66 face up this is almost a call

I agree - you have the odds to call. My maths make it that you will be putting $5.60 into $15.40 pot - 26.7% of final pot. So you need more than 26.7% chance to make it +ev call.

Your outs are 9 clubs , 2 aces and 2 nines. Total 13 outs - Approx 28.6 % chance of hitting.

So imo call even if you know it's 66.


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: gatso on October 04, 2008, 01:01:37 AM
if you're going to fold like a big girly when he shoves then why are you betting out? check and you either get the free card or he bets about the $3 mark so you can call and see what the river brings or he (much less likely) shoves and you can pass having saved yourself your turn bet.

I still much prefer the line you took though as long as you make the call.

the bet/pass is utterly horrible though and by far the worst option of all


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Newmanseye on October 04, 2008, 01:51:01 AM
if you're going to fold like a big girly when he shoves then why are you betting out? check and you either get the free card or he bets about the $3 mark so you can call and see what the river brings or he (much less likely) shoves and you can pass having saved yourself your turn bet.

I still much prefer the line you took though as long as you make the call.

the bet/pass is utterly horrible though and by far the worst option of all

Tbh his shove was the only thing i was worried about and when he shoves i know he has the set, and yeh the math says " call you fooking moron" but that side of your head says, " your horsed here BTW"

BTW on the flop i was celebratinmg and the turn was great too, ordered beer for a party and everything, when he shoves back... get the immodium out



Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: ShatnerPants on October 04, 2008, 10:56:18 AM
If you were even thinking about a fold, then you have to work on your bet sizing.  On the turn you overbet the pot , committing yourself totally.

To even contemplate a fold you have to stick in something much nearer half pot size.

Sometimes you just have to go bust, it's what the game is all about.  Embrace it.

You played it proper, he played it proper. 


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Royal Flush on October 04, 2008, 04:11:56 PM
You played it proper, he played it proper. 

Not sure i agree with betting more than the pot with 2 pair and the nfd is proper.


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Newmanseye on October 04, 2008, 06:00:10 PM
You played it proper, he played it proper. 

Not sure i agree with betting more than the pot with 2 pair and the nfd is proper.

I didnt bet more than the pot, I bet the pot.


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: TazDevil on October 04, 2008, 06:35:41 PM
no need to fold, your drawing to enough outs to justify the call vs anything and a lot of the time your probably favourite anyway


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Royal Flush on October 05, 2008, 02:40:45 AM
You played it proper, he played it proper. 

Not sure i agree with betting more than the pot with 2 pair and the nfd is proper.

I didnt bet more than the pot, I bet the pot.

Still way too much


Title: Re: i just cant find a fold
Post by: Newmanseye on October 05, 2008, 03:27:33 AM
You played it proper, he played it proper. 

Not sure i agree with betting more than the pot with 2 pair and the nfd is proper.

I didnt bet more than the pot, I bet the pot.

Still way too much

how much are you betting in these positions then James?