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Title: Should I always bet the turn here? Post by: GreekStein on October 05, 2008, 04:53:07 PM Just wondered what I should have done differently here? Should I always be betting the turn or is it okay to check here sometimes to induce a bluff?
Look forward to being ripped apart! Game #7944797204: £1000 GTD (ID8285281) £20+£2 - Hold'em NL (15/30) - 2008/10/05 - 16:45:07 (UK) Table "8285281 - 5" Seat 4 is the button. Seat 1: KnockUOut (3300 in chips) Seat 2: Yesple002 (3760 in chips) Seat 3: atesz (1640 in chips) Seat 4: simpson55 sits out Seat 5: Ste221261 (2470 in chips) Seat 6: Mustymind (1730 in chips) Seat 8: Mar241269 (1430 in chips) Seat 9: Adler1980 (1870 in chips) Seat 10: Terr10126 (1830 in chips) Ste221261: posts small blind 15 Mustymind: posts big blind 30 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Yesple002 [Tc Jc] Mar241269: folds Adler1980: folds Terr10126: calls 30 KnockUOut: folds Yesple002: raises to 105 atesz: folds simpson55: folds Ste221261: calls 90 Mustymind: folds Terr10126: calls 75 ----- FLOP ----- [Jh 4c 2c] Ste221261: checks Terr10126: checks Yesple002: bets 115 Ste221261: calls 115 Terr10126: folds ----- TURN ----- [Jh 4c 2c][9c] Ste221261: checks Yesple002: checks ----- RIVER ----- [Jh 4c 2c 9c][Jd] Ste221261: bets 585 Yesple002: calls 585 ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Ste221261: shows [4s 4d] (A Full House, Fours full of Jacks) Yesple002: mucks hand [Tc Jc] Ste221261 collected 1745 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot 1745 Main pot 1745 Rake 0 Board [Jh 4c 2c 9c Jd] Seat 1: KnockUOut folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Yesple002 mucked [Tc Jc] Seat 3: atesz folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: simpson55 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Ste221261 (small blind) showed [4s 4d] and won (1745) with A Full House, Fours full of Jacks Seat 6: Mustymind (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Mar241269 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Adler1980 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: Terr10126 folded on the Flop Title: Re: Should I always bet the turn here? Post by: MC on October 05, 2008, 05:25:28 PM Yeah afraid I don't like this check one bit. If you were first to act, it's different; looking to induce a bluff on a further street seems a little pointless here cos the pot isn't that big to steal, and you're giving a free card to get outdrawn which certainly is possible. Just build the pot here with a lock on the hand.
You want the Ac or Kc to pay you off looking for the draw. You could also get 2 streets of value if he has something reasonably strong by betting... Title: Re: Should I always bet the turn here? Post by: Charlie44 on October 05, 2008, 06:04:51 PM Here' s my thoughts for what they're worth.
Pre flop - good raise . Flop _ You have a good hand here and can assume your ahead. I would bet more here to build the pot - may be 250. Turn - You can definitely assume you're ahead but very vulnerable to fourth club. Must bet here about 500 imo. Much better for him to fold than for you to loose pot on river. If you were 1st to play here and believed he would bet, then a check raise may be worth considering. But you cant let him have a free card. River I think I would have raised the riverassuming I'm still ahead. You have bet small on the flop and checked the turn, showing no strength. He might assume you have little and could be bluffed off the pot. Its unlikely that the J helped him. So I would be min raising to 1170 for value (anything more he is less likely to call without much of a hand). If he then reraises you would have to consider the size of the reaise, think through the hand and his history and decide whether to call. Title: Re: Should I always bet the turn here? Post by: action man on October 05, 2008, 08:07:13 PM This is just a bad beat
Title: Re: Should I always bet the turn here? Post by: ThatsSoMinusEV on October 07, 2008, 07:31:03 PM Pre - if your plan is to isolate the limper and play HU pot IP with 3.5x is fine. A hand the flops well is always nice when the stacks are deep
Post-flop - Please build the pot. 115 is far too small. I expect you were trying to induce a bluff or something but this early just bet for value. My standard Cbet is half pot so that should be fine here. Turn - His range consists of made hands and made flushes. Most made hands are calling two if not three streets anyways so Vbet it. Maybe 2/3 pot. Only A/K high flushes are likely to c/r so if they do, you can have a plan for the hand when the blinds r still small and a loss wont effect you much. Checking back lets hands like sets(13outs)/two pairs(4outs) (not being results orientated) get there. River - fine imo |