Title: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: wsopin07 on November 17, 2005, 08:24:17 AM Tonight at the $500 pot limit holdem I played this hand!
22 players to go average is 20k, I HAVE 27K utg, I have 4d 5c and raise to 2,000 (blinds 400/800)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are 7 handed , comes back to button who makes it 6k to see the flop!!! I call flop is Jc 6d 7h, i bet 6k and he moves me allin, I just have him covered by 400, what would you do ????????????????????????????? Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: Longy on November 17, 2005, 08:49:59 AM Ok as far as the maths is concerned to start off with you have 15k left and the pot is standing at 19k as we speak. So you stand to win 34k for your 15k investment just over 2 to 1 which is good enough to merit a call in isolation as you have 8 clean outs twice over.
Yet i would lay it down, i personally wouldn't want to gamble in such a marginal situation unless you are an underdog to the field (which i don't believe you are Brian). You still have 15k left which is nearly 20bb which is playable. You are obviously behind and there is nightmare situation where he has a set or some of your outs. So a pass for me. Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: yt on November 17, 2005, 08:53:40 AM Hand in the cookie jar!
but I'd get in there. too late to back out methinks. Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: Junior Senior on November 17, 2005, 09:34:57 AM you called a raise with 4-5? - sorry Brian thats beyond my game - foreign to me
Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: Royal Flush on November 17, 2005, 09:35:25 AM Sounds a little on the fishy side to me.....
Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: Sunday8pm on November 17, 2005, 10:14:20 AM fantastic brian......INSTANT CALL for me......say you pass...that leaves you with what 15k? a player like you who quite clearly plays to win should be taking calculated gambles like this.
After seeing you performance last night i am quite sure you didnt pass? are you going to the CPC? if so ill make myself known over there..! regards Ben Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: matt674 on November 17, 2005, 10:28:02 AM Well having watched your WSOP win in the pot limit event last night for the first time it has to be an instant call.
4-5o/s is the new nuts - who needs AA? :D Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: Pommy on November 17, 2005, 11:50:01 AM So what did you do in the end?? and what was the outcome??
Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: TightEnd on November 17, 2005, 11:56:08 AM he passed and didn't find a hand until he had 2x BB left, when he picked up AA and got looked up by the big stack BB who called blind with 2-3 off and flopped two pair
or am I wrong? :D Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: SKA Dealer on November 17, 2005, 12:00:26 PM Ouch!
Wouldn't have called the RR myself either! Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: thetank on November 17, 2005, 12:21:36 PM Just over 2 to 1 on your money, just under 2 to 1 to win the hand. Not a bad gamble but too marginal for me to make this call in a tournament.
Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: M3boy on November 17, 2005, 12:39:42 PM Tonight at the $500 pot limit holdem I played this hand! 22 players to go average is 20k, I HAVE 27K utg, I have 4d 5c and raise to 2,000 (blinds 400/800)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are 7 handed , comes back to button who makes it 6k to see the flop!!! I call flop is Jc 6d 7h, i bet 6k and he moves me allin, I just have him covered by 400, what would you do ????????????????????????????? Hmmmmmmm,,,,, 4 5 o/s sounds VERY FAMILIER BRIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was in the $175 WPT double shootout on Stars - you raised, I re raised (with AK) and you set me all in - which I called. You hit, I didnt. Im sure he called and won. BTW, how did you do in that Double Shootout? Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: Bongo on November 17, 2005, 12:52:28 PM Surely passing invites people to start raising you and will undermine your aggressive game?
If they see you call with anything they might be scared to make a move on you. I think I'd call in this situation if i played your style of game. Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: wsopin07 on November 17, 2005, 03:07:05 PM I will be going to the CPC
m3 boy, I Lost heads up, ( called w/ 4/5, to bust m3's AK), also busted a guy w/ 33, I had 5/6 When you start a hand W/ 4/5 you cant fold when you hit it! yes, I had a great outcome to be open ended, I will almost always push if I catch anything on the flop! Lets say I hit the 4 only. How many outs do I have now? It is better than playing AJ, AQ, you know you are live and you will not have a kicker problem if you hit the 2 pair on the turn or river. w/ Ac Qh or Ad Js you are always worried about your kicker, Ad anything makes me sick, i hate these hands, plus how much do you really make when there is a As on the board??????? I hit the river w/ 3d and busted the guy, went to 60k and the chip lead! next hand found Kc Kh, short stack raiser and I put him allin, he had As 6h, flop was Ad 7c As, and I lost 9k, so much for quality 8) then 4 hands later i lost 15k w/ a set of Ts, to a set of Qd, both on the flop, if not I would have had a hudge stack 8) I have different ideas on the game, I do use a lot of things that DC has shown me but in some different ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: NoflopsHomer on November 17, 2005, 06:04:45 PM I'd call, because if you're gonna call a re-raise with 4,5o, what sort of good flop do you exactly expect? Seems silly to gamble by calling the re-raise then folding your hand on the flop if you actually have a draw. You never know he might have AK and you find yourself with two live cards.
Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: mikkyT on November 17, 2005, 06:07:12 PM A set of Queens to a set of Tens is a great thing to see, especially when 1) you both went all in preflop and 2) you hold the Tens and 3) the turn card is another Ten giving you quads to her full house. I just looked away. I don't like to see a woman have to leave the table in such circumstances.
Title: Re: So I dont play so good, you tell me???? Post by: wsopin07 on November 17, 2005, 07:10:29 PM I'd call, because if you're gonna call a re-raise with 4,5o, what sort of good flop do you exactly expect? Seems silly to gamble by calling the re-raise then folding your hand on the flop if you actually have a draw. You never know he might have AK and you find yourself with two live cards. thank you, I totally agree, this was against the weakest player at the table also |