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Title: Was the error pre-flop or on the flop? Post by: neeko on October 08, 2008, 08:45:45 PM 314 players, last 5, 12.7 BB's left, AQo UTG
- Did i go wrong pre flop with not shoving, or should i check the flop, then go broke on the turn? Game #7976319814: HeadHunter $1.5K GTD (ID8305886) $5+$0.50 - Hold'em NL (2000/4000) - 2008/10/08 - 20:31:56 (UK) Table "8305886 - 1" Seat 8 is the button. Seat 1: sainty (214783 in chips) Seat 3: Hallari (70514 in chips) Seat 5: Neeko (51030 in chips) Seat 7: Cheryl13 (73761 in chips) Seat 8: Smiler101 (60912 in chips) sainty: posts the ante 500 Hallari: posts the ante 500 Neeko: posts the ante 500 Cheryl13: posts the ante 500 Smiler101: posts the ante 500 sainty: posts small blind 2000 Hallari: posts big blind 4000 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Neeko [Qh Ac] Neeko: raises to 12000 Cheryl13: folds Smiler101: folds sainty: calls 10000 Hallari: calls 8000 ----- FLOP ----- [4c 7h 6h] sainty: checks Hallari: checks Neeko: bets 38530 and is all-in sainty: calls 38530 Hallari: folds ----- TURN ----- [4c 7h 6h][ Ahrt] ----- RIVER ----- [4c 7h 6h Ahrt][Js] ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Neeko: shows [Qh Ac] (A Pair of Aces, Queen high) sainty: shows [7c 6c] (Two Pairs, Sevens and Sixes, Ace high) sainty collected 115560 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot 115560 Main pot 115560 Rake 0 Board [4c 7h 6h Ahrt Js] Seat 1: sainty (small blind) showed [7c 6c] and won (115560) with Two Pairs, Sevens and Sixes, Ace high Seat 3: Hallari (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 5: Neeko showed [Qh Ac] and lost with A Pair of Aces, Queen high Seat 7: Cheryl13 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Smiler101 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Title: Re: Was the error pre-flop or on the flop? Post by: ThatsSoMinusEV on October 08, 2008, 08:53:09 PM When thinking about stack sizes to shove instead of doing straight up 10bbs try another strategy.
I was moved onto something called "true bb's" which is basically 2/3's or the starting pot. Here i think if i worked it out ok, 5.6k is a true bb. Any stack less than 10 "true" bb's is a push/fold stack, so with 51k yes you should have open-shoved pre. He did not have implied value to call w suited connectors but oh well, live and learn Title: Re: Was the error pre-flop or on the flop? Post by: Colchester Kev on October 08, 2008, 08:57:23 PM 8.5k in the middle and I am UTG ... its a snap all in from me and if i run into a better hand, gg.
Title: Re: Was the error pre-flop or on the flop? Post by: Longy on October 09, 2008, 03:07:22 PM I would just shove pre with antes in play.
Title: Re: Was the error pre-flop or on the flop? Post by: ShatnerPants on October 09, 2008, 03:25:44 PM I would just shove pre with antes in play. I spend too much time thinking of my stack in terms of Xx BB, even when antes kick in. In this case the M is about 6 I believe. At what sort of M do you start pushing preflop ? Title: Re: Was the error pre-flop or on the flop? Post by: Longy on October 09, 2008, 05:02:31 PM M of about 8 and below imo. 10bbs without antes= 7.5 in M terms.
Fwiw I think in terms of bbs as a sng player anyway. |