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Title: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: NEVES on October 11, 2008, 05:07:00 PM
MTT, Blinds 1000/2000 Ante 300 11 players left, bubble time
AV stack 52,000.

My stack 28,000, my table 5 handed, i am on button, utg and seat 2 pass.
SB  68,000  BB 81,000.

What is the minimum holding you would push with.

 Many thanks
        NEVES.


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: ShatnerPants on October 11, 2008, 05:10:04 PM
72o

 ;)


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: boldie on October 11, 2008, 05:10:20 PM
MTT, Blinds 1000/2000 Ante 300 11 players left, bubble time
AV stack 52,000.

My stack 28,000, my table 5 handed, i am on button, utg and seat 2 pass.
SB  68,000  BB 81,000.

What is the minimum holding you would push with.

 Many thanks
        NEVES.

Any two


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: gatso on October 11, 2008, 05:15:40 PM
ATC. you're short but still have a fair bit of FE here


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 11, 2008, 05:56:32 PM
I doont think were that desperate that we have to push ANY 2 cards (we have 14 BB's, but there is ante's) to win 4,500 to add to 28,000. Any pair, any A, K5s, K7+, Q7s, Q9+, most suited connectors for me.

I don't push with 92/94/72 etc etc unless the blinds are pretty tight players...


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: Horneris on October 11, 2008, 07:11:48 PM
Gatso and Boldie, you are both verrrrrrrry agrresssiv.


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: gatso on October 11, 2008, 07:16:25 PM
I doont think were that desperate that we have to push ANY 2 cards (we have 14 BB's, but there is ante's) to win 4,500 to add to 28,000. Any pair, any A, K5s, K7+, Q7s, Q9+, most suited connectors for me.

no, we're not desperate which is why we can push atc here as we have the fe to do it. if we were desperate then I'd tighten up my pushing range a lot as the blinds could afford to call a lot lighter.

bubble chip aquisition ftw


I don't push with 92/94/72 etc etc unless the blinds are pretty tight players...

so you're saying that if the situation is correct then you might push with them? therefore they're in your range surely

while my pushing range here is atc that doesn't mean I'm pushing 100% of the time, it's situation dependent, one of the variables being how loose/tight the blinds are


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 11, 2008, 09:09:37 PM
no, we're not desperate which is why we can push atc here as we have the fe to do it. if we were desperate then I'd tighten up my pushing range a lot as the blinds could afford to call a lot lighter.

bubble chip aquisition ftw


Umm, I disagree with shoving 72, but i take your point above...



so you're saying that if the situation is correct then you might push with them? therefore they're in your range surely

while my pushing range here is atc that doesn't mean I'm pushing 100% of the time, it's situation dependent, one of the variables being how loose/tight the blinds are

Maybe I worded it badly, but basically we're saying the same thing...


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: thetank on October 11, 2008, 09:21:43 PM
I'd need some good shit to shove in this spot. Defo not ATC time.


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: pokerfan on October 12, 2008, 07:23:51 AM
reverse the scenario, you are bb with 81k ,button shoves his last 28k. whats minimum calling requirement?


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: thetank on October 12, 2008, 08:12:26 AM
Depends how loose opponent is, sometimes call only with TT+, AK if player is tight.
If the player is looser, go as wide as 55+, A8s+, AT+, KQs

If he's looser still, widen the range again. etc


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: Cf on October 20, 2008, 02:42:40 PM
Your M is almost 5. I'd be pushing any 2 at this point, especially on the bubble. If you want to fold and wait another orbit that's fine, but you'll have less fold equity, and at this point it's really obvious you're pushing any 2, making it easier for the blinds to call.

But it does depend on the blinds. If there's a super loose player in the big blind i'm going to want something half decent to push with.


Title: Re: RANGE TO PUSH
Post by: EvilPie on October 21, 2008, 01:57:55 PM
reverse the scenario, you are bb with 81k ,button shoves his last 28k. whats minimum calling requirement?

Against Gatso I spite call with atc and suck out.

fwiw my shoving range here is anything vaguely connected that has a chance of catching up if I get caught out.