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you've been card dead for an hour nothing to even see a flop with no postion to steal with utg you find a hand that you would normally pass
but you make a mistake and you try for the steal

once you know your against aces do you fold to try and get past the bubble or do you call to try and get lucky

PokerStars Game #21204533672: Tournament #113517755, $20+$2 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2008/10/14 22:35:30 ET
Table '113517755 22' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: mayor2 (9968 in chips)
Seat 2: Rat-a-too-ee (4378 in chips)
Seat 3: PapaGrande (19312 in chips)
Seat 4: boozeorlose (17510 in chips)
Seat 5: chewy732001 (22818 in chips)
Seat 6: hmm ill call (8754 in chips)
Seat 7: Ironside (6536 in chips)
Seat 8: simskc (43735 in chips)
Seat 9: livetofish1 (15357 in chips)
chewy732001: posts small blind 500
hmm ill call: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [Qd Kd Kc 2c]
Ironside: raises 2500 to 3500
simskc: folds
livetofish1: folds
mayor2: folds
Rat-a-too-ee: folds
PapaGrande: raises 2500 to 6000
boozeorlose: raises 11510 to 17510 and is all-in
chewy732001: folds
hmm ill call: folds

why would u raise with this anyway u should of just mucked in the first place......

i'm no PLO expert but it seems you're pretty committed to this now

your hand isn't awful

a fold would leave you hoping that Papagrande calls and beats boozeorlose, and that two more go out before you get blinded out

a call and a win would push you some way up the stacks

do you want to scrape your way to 54th, or have a shot at something much better?

you're putting in 3k into a 21k pot.

7-1 pot odds, and even against Aces with one of your suits covered, you're still only a 3-1 dog in equity terms.

Kc 2c  Kd  Qd  101556  148585  351415      0      0      0       0  0.250
As 4d  Ah  2h  121081  247083  228724  24193      0  45513  198774  0.480
2s Ac  4c  3d   30248   80139  395668  24193  56317      0  198774  0.269

Easy call.

Once you make a raise for half your stack in omaha or om/8 you should never be folding barring some very wierd scenarios...

Am i missing something here? Why would this normally be a pass? We have just over 6bb and the blinds are about to hit us. Do we really want to blind into the money or get a decent stack to get to the FT.

 I think the biggest mistakes people make when playing plo/8 MTT is that they wait too long for that situation to 3/4 someone.

Unless the table was utterly crazy I would  be raising this hand 99% of the time in any position when the blinds get meaningfull to win.

Once I have raised with this and the reraise comes it does look like opponent has aces.
Your hand obv isn't ideal as you cannot make  a low, but at least you are only against one other player.
I have played against Boozeorlose a few times and he does know what he is doing. It is slightly possible that Boozeorlose has something like AQ23 as I have seen him do this play before. But if you are sure he has aces I still call here as if you suck out and win then your stack is back to being healthy.
In these $20 PLO8 trnys on stars sneaking into the money with a small stack isn't great as all the $$$ is at the final table. and more often or not it is hard to battle your way back to get a decent stack to go for the final table.

of couse u cant fold after u have raised but why would u raise with that....ur sort of playin it like 2 hold em hands rather that a omaha hand

You have 6BB, Your in need of a double up


Mainly for the fact that people wait far too long for that perfect "omaha" hand. They wait all day for something like AA210 and then bemoan there bad luck when there shortstack gets picked off by a raiser who is commited to calling there raise with any cards.

I think as a hand it works well for winning a big pot and being relativley easy to get away from if theres a lot of action ahead of you.

It's hardly the worst hand in the world.

Not the worst hand but pretty dire.

Give me JJ25ds all day long over that hand.

Can i ask if thats for hand in question or in general?

in general

more scary is how u got so low iron m8. lost a pot hand before?

nope just had nothing for about an hour no spots to shove no cards to win pots just alot of crap cards in crap postions
this looked like a monster compared to what i was getting

if i had folded and waited 4 more hands i would of gotten into the money thats the reason behind the post

then anything could of happened

and when i say crap i think the best i had seen in the hour was A89T 4 suited

its still poker though right? button bash ftw?

cant button bash with rags with a raise and an all in reraise in front of you

have to call now. i don't mind the the raise with only 6bb, if you are playing to win and not just cash. If the table is aggro you can't really wait any longer to make a move.