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 Hand 1.   level 6 or so.

playing 26k, average 17, villain 24k. Villain knows who i am but iv never played him live before. he joined about 1/2 hour ago and has been pretty active which iv commeneted on and he responded in kind. His image and mine are both pretty open. He seems pretty comfortable and familair with donkaments.

He opens to 850 @ 150/300/25 from MP. I 3b on button to 2100 w KK after a bit. He pauses then makes it 5700. Optimal play now is?




Hand 2. level 9.


Blinds 400/800/50 i think.


Hero, 72k, villain 75k, average, 34k.


Hero is Jonathan Gale, i dont know the player and thats not John Gale. He just won a huge pot and is still stacking chips. No history.


Joe Grech playing 21k limps UTG. UTG+1 i raise to 2500 w AKs. Villain insta reraises to 9950. Joe folds.  We should?










 

Hand 1, flat.

Hand 2, i don't understand what's going on.

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Hand 1 call
Hand 2 pass...if ur trying to tell me what i think your trying to tell me!

Hand one, flat. Pray for a king on the flop, or an ace to make things more simple. If that doesn't come, it's a real toughie.

I would have thought his range is something like (AA, KK, 50% QQ, 50% some weaker hand or bluff) It's definitely a contender to pass on a low flop.

Hand two, muck. His move looks really strong, and hats off to him if his hand is not. You have raised UTG+1, and the stacking chips should make a difference with anything but a really canny player.

I chuck hand 2. Mr Grech UTG could wake up with some scary shit, and Mr. Gale would need some strong stuff to 3-bet while he's still stacking chips.

With these images i am trapping not looking to pass!

lol yeah i was gonna say.

hand 1, i dont mind shove or call, im never ever passing on any flop without an ace.

hand 2 meh fold

If were folding on a 973 flop we may aswell bin it now and save ourself 3600...

Is trapping likely to work here though? It looks like he's gone far enough to stick it all in if we reraise/shove so why not get it in now.

What kind of flop are we looking for to trap him with?

K high if he's got AK, Q high if he's got AQ or undercards if he's on JJ / QQ. Can't see him being in the hand with many other two that we're beating. If for some reason he has got some other drawing type hand or a lower pair surely we are unlikely to stack him off unless he puts us squarely on AK when we lead/raise the raggy flop. It looks to me like we are more likely to stack ourselves off here than him.

Also what's the plan when an ace comes down. We obviously have to slow down and so does he with any hand we're beating so the trap fails and it comes down to taking a shot at it that could go horribly wrong.

Seems to me like there's more that can go wrong than can go right if we try to get clever and trap so just get it in now.

So we flat call hoping to either hit a set or see and ace so that we can easily fold?

If it's undercards we assume that he's hit the set and pass anyway.

You might as well be doing exactly the same betting pattern with pocket twos.

Hand 1 pass to the 4 bet, what else can he have?

Hand 2 stick it in Gale's eye

How much of it should we stick in his eye?

Are we talking all of it?

I dont think he cares as long as it goes deep into his eye.

One hand one, I'm not saying we should be worried that he definitely has aces, but we should definitely be very aware of the possbility.

I mean, what other hands do we think he's 4-betting us with? These GUPKTs are normally played pretty standardly, especially when it comes to 4-betting preflop. It sounds like the villian is a good, aggressive player, but not that he is crazy, andnot that there is alot of history involved.

Most people wouldn't 4-bet ace-king in this spot, and some wouldn't 4-bet queens. So, aces makes up a pretty good part of his range, doesn't it? I don't agree with folding, as he have the odds to hit a set, even if we were sure he has aces.

Calling will give us a big extra clue, from his bet-size on the flop, especially if it comes dry like 732. If he comes out with the strongest possible bet-size (which I would think was half his stack rather than all-in), I would definitely think about passing the hand.

What else are we expecting him to turn over, for those that say don't think of passing?

Dont think of passing a 732 flop ffs.

This guy seems competent, Alex has obv got an image himself and is looking to keep this player as restricted as poss. Alex 3bets in position and the guy is never going to be suspicious here?? Air comes up here just as likely as premiums.

Alex runs too good that he gets KK vs Lag in position imo. Dont waste them.

And if he has Aces, gg.

obv.

Apologies, my bad.

apologies, i was utg+1 w AKs in hand two. and i also made a spelling mistake which has already tilted me.

consensus for hand 1 is flat v LAG yeah. v solid/nitty player we just get it in pre right?

Hand 1 flat, he is drawing nearly dead 90%+ of the time. Against a real player i might make it 9.5k and snap, but this is the GUKPT, more likely to induce a coma than a shove, stack sizes be miles better for this if you both had an extra 10k therefore givgin the impression he has more fold equity.

Hand 2 depends on a load of table dynamic stuff that you just have to be there for, but given i punish limpers every hand then im never folding the top of my range after raising a limper. But as i said its more game flow based.

Stu when people 4 bet their ranges are really polarised to nuts/air purely because with marginal hands they dont make this play and therefore dont balance their range. If he is 4 bet folding a marginal hand like JJ AQs etc then he is just retarded, but most of the time people 4 betting range here is literally QQ+ and a shed load of garbage, if he is active then garbage is a massive % of his range. A real good player can balance his range by 4 bet calling wider than QQ+, so like they will 4 bet 88+ and snap a shove, but this aint cash, this is a GUKPT, they DO NOT do this. They literally have it or dont, and given the described table dynamic he just never ever has a hand.

I should be getting paid for these posts! :)

79k enough?



Nit

I 4bet Alex with J3 here. It's usually good. :D

You deffo want to call in hand 1 The banter between the 2 players and the knowledge of what each other are capable of presents an excellent opportunity for you. You raise his open because you don't believe him and he plays back to convince you he's genuine. This is the game of poker no? If you call and he hits top pair you could stack him. Excellent. If you raise you will lose him. If he has A-A you will stack off now or on the flop regardless. Unless the flop is A high. Which it wont be. Because he has A-A. So raising pre only gets business from A-A.....and so is a very very pointless exercise. It is certainly a fact that villain can have A-A, and you will lose, and have to go home. But thinking about that eventuality is a waste of your time, it is like waking up each day thinking you have a brain tumour. Lets just flat, get him pushing with K-9 on a 2-4-9 board, gather up our chips, and move on.

Hand 2 Pushing or folding are both acceptable imo

I dont fold if the flop is Ace high at any point ever. It just makes your opponents multiple barrel propensity far higher

Dubai, how many players have you come across in the GUKPT who will 4-bet bluff before the flop, and then continue to bluff with air? Remember that most of these people can't even spell multiple barrel.

I agree that his range is probably very polarised, but I don't think we can be too excited about our trap on the flop. I just think it's not very often going to produce  great spots for us. How much of the time does he flop top pair that is not an ace? If he does flop nothing, I think he's going to take one small stab at it at most; the only hands he will be prepared to bluff his stack on are draws that are big enough that we're not thrilled to get it in with KK anyway.

We're going to have to stack off to AA anyway, so we must ignore this hand and not let it confuse our logic.

Let's say the rest of his range is air, and more likely a dangerous hand like 109 suited than Kq offsuit. I  think there is a case for thinking that he is not going to put very many more chips into the pot without decent equity, and moving in now to accept the free chips.

If we think hands like QQ, JJ and 1010 are in his 4-betting range, call to trap.

Posted by: easypickings

Even if this is true it is infinitely better than forcing him to fold pre. However, I think this is a pretty pessimistic outlook and if we say he is sold on telling the story that he has it and we don't it could be a lot better than that. If he has 9-10 and the flop comes J-Q for e.g. he is not going to go away after a small stab. He will cha cha around the table before slam dunking his chips in the middle thankful that he can sell his story with conviction knowing he isn't drawing dead no matter what. Risk or no risk I want that gamble and will cha cha round the table better than my oppo when I scoop his chips. I win a nice pot and Craig Revel Horwood gives me 10 points. Sweet.

What's with all the cha-cha-cha mantis?

I thought you were a cha-cha-chap.