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Title: I know that I played this hand badly, but...
Post by: Karabiner on October 26, 2008, 04:19:57 PM
I played the HO tourney(half PLO, half PLH) at Caesar's on Friday and despite a tough table draw with Kathy Leibert sat two to my left and losing half of my 5k starting stack in the first two levels, I managed to garner an averageish 16k by the second break by which time only 35 of the original 93 players remained.

I was pleased when my table broke and I was able to escape Kathy's beady eye, there were now just three tables left and the game switched to Omaha. Blinds were now 400/800 and I picked up this hand in the SB:

Ah As Tc 8c

There were a couple of limpers and I decided to raise the pot (bad decision #1 with hindsight)

UTG limper is the only caller and the flop comes:

8h 9h Th

I decide to fire 6k with my bare Ace and fwo pairs (bad decision #2 ?) and the Yank almost beat me into the pot with the rest of his stack leaving me 5k of my remaining 6.5k to call, which I did cryingly (bad decision #3) and he showed:

Kh Qh Jc 8d

Which stood up and he got my last 1500 in the very next hand when my 899T missed everything.

On reflection I feel that I had played that first hand about as badly as I could imho but it is also possible that I could have run into trouble however I played it. Any views and opinions would be appreciated.


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Title: Re: I know that I played this hand badly, but...
Post by: tikay on October 26, 2008, 05:00:36 PM

I think once you'd decided to Raise it up Ralph, you were pretty much doomed on that Flop.

It just panned out wrong.

I'm not 100% sure I'd have Raised pre, I know you had AA, but not much else, & anyone with mid-connected straighting cards is going to look you up. But once the Flop came, both hands probably played themselves.

I'm sure the experts will be along soon & put us both right!

Meanwhile, what about Redknapp to Spurs eh? Apparently Kinnear was not available for a month or two, so they'll go for him next time.......Shame they never looked across the road to the Emirates Cathedral, to see how to appoint proper Managers. ;)


Title: Re: I know that I played this hand badly, but...
Post by: EvilPie on October 28, 2008, 03:54:03 PM
Don't think I would've been raising the pot from the SB when there's already been a couple of limpers. You're likely to be called and end up playing a bad hand oop.

Personally I flat call and treat it as a set mining exercise without a matching suit for at least one of the aces.

Firing with the bare ace is unlikely to work here as well because any flush is already made. If there's only 2 hearts out there he might not want to pay to draw to a lower flush but if he's already got it I can't see him being too bothered that he's not got the ace.

If you had the nut flush here would you pot it immediately? I doubt it unless you're representing the steal. Your bet looks more like a set to me or just a steal attempt following a raise pre. I don't think any flush is going away here even if it's a weak one.

I can't think of many hands that pot this flop oop (unless it's Flushy with 2222). Maybe trips if you've decided to committ but other than that I think pot control would be much better.

Once he's gone all in I think you've got to pass. I know it's easy to say with hindsight but what are you beating? Only a bluff from a short stack who knows that he has no FE. That would be a bad time to bluff I think. He simply has to have a hand to go all in here.


Title: Re: I know that I played this hand badly, but...
Post by: mondatoo on October 28, 2008, 03:58:13 PM

I think once you'd decided to Raise it up Ralph, you were pretty much doomed on that Flop.

It just panned out wrong.

I'm not 100% sure I'd have Raised pre, I know you had AA, but not much else, & anyone with mid-connected straighting cards is going to look you up. But once the Flop came, both hands probably played themselves.

I'm sure the experts will be along soon & put us both right!

Meanwhile, what about Redknapp to Spurs eh? Apparently Kinnear was not available for a month or two, so they'll go for him next time.......Shame they never looked across the road to the Emirates Cathedral, to see how to appoint proper Managers. ;)

Oi there Mr Kendall

Leave our Kinnear alone  ;)


Title: Re: I know that I played this hand badly, but...
Post by: Karabiner on October 28, 2008, 05:28:32 PM
Don't think I would've been raising the pot from the SB when there's already been a couple of limpers. You're likely to be called and end up playing a bad hand oop.

Personally I flat call and treat it as a set mining exercise without a matching suit for at least one of the aces.

Firing with the bare ace is unlikely to work here as well because any flush is already made. If there's only 2 hearts out there he might not want to pay to draw to a lower flush but if he's already got it I can't see him being too bothered that he's not got the ace.

If you had the nut flush here would you pot it immediately? I doubt it unless you're representing the steal. Your bet looks more like a set to me or just a steal attempt following a raise pre. I don't think any flush is going away here even if it's a weak one.

I can't think of many hands that pot this flop oop (unless it's Flushy with 2222). Maybe trips if you've decided to committ but other than that I think pot control would be much better.

Once he's gone all in I think you've got to pass. I know it's easy to say with hindsight but what are you beating? Only a bluff from a short stack who knows that he has no FE. That would be a bad time to bluff I think. He simply has to have a hand to go all in here.

I agree with almost all of that Matt, and can only put it down to temporary(?) insanity after moving away from what was a very tough table and wanting to make a statement(Imadonk?) at my new one. I would limp pre-flop here nine times out of ten usually, but I would also have bet out 6K with the nut flush almost all of the time.