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Title: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: NoflopsHomer on November 11, 2008, 10:09:32 PM
Moved to this table about 10 minutes ago. Kerala seems tight but is limping a fair bit, haven't seen kruse82 play a hand since I got here. My image is pretty solid since I've only played a couple of hands so far.

Game #8308668994: LUCKY £7K TUE (ID8506203) £30+£3 - Hold'em NL (50/100) - 2008/11/11 - 22:00:48 (UK)
Table "8506203 - 13" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: Luckybags (7862 in chips)
Seat 2: Fishslut (2480 in chips)
Seat 3: kruse82 (2340 in chips)
Seat 4: Tictalk (2255 in chips)
Seat 5: catD10 (1570 in chips)
Seat 6: Foamer (7320 in chips)
Seat 7: Spartan73 (2915 in chips)
Seat 9: Todo27072 (2783 in chips)
Seat 10: Kerala (3760 in chips)
Spartan73: posts small blind 50
Todo27072: posts big blind 100
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Foamer [Jh Jd]
Kerala: raises to 200
Luckybags: folds
Fishslut: folds
kruse82: raises to 500
Tictalk: folds
catD10: folds
Foamer: ?


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: bolt pp on November 11, 2008, 10:14:51 PM
Moved to this table about 10 minutes ago. Kerala seems tight but is limping a fair bit, haven't seen kruse82 play a hand since I got here. My image is pretty solid since I've only played a couple of hands so far.

Game #8308668994: LUCKY £7K TUE (ID8506203) £30+£3 - Hold'em NL (50/100) - 2008/11/11 - 22:00:48 (UK)
Table "8506203 - 13" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: Luckybags (7862 in chips)
Seat 2: Fishslut (2480 in chips)
Seat 3: kruse82 (2340 in chips)
Seat 4: Tictalk (2255 in chips)
Seat 5: catD10 (1570 in chips)
Seat 6: Foamer (7320 in chips)
Seat 7: Spartan73 (2915 in chips)
Seat 9: Todo27072 (2783 in chips)
Seat 10: Kerala (3760 in chips)
Spartan73: posts small blind 50
Todo27072: posts big blind 100
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Foamer [Jh Jd]
Kerala: raises to 200
Luckybags: folds
Fishslut: folds
kruse82: raises to 500
Tictalk: folds
catD10: folds
Foamer: ?

all in ldo, the clue is in the name of the comp obv! ::)


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: Graham C on November 11, 2008, 10:39:28 PM
I think you may as well stick in a raise to 4k and cover both Kerala and kruse.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 12, 2008, 03:20:33 AM
A raise to 500 from ep after a min raise UTG when the guy only has 2.3k means there is a better hand than J-J out there imo.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: AlexMartin on November 12, 2008, 05:15:33 AM
A raise to 500 from ep after a min raise UTG when the guy only has 2.3k means there is a better hand than J-J out there imo.

yep 100% i just muck this.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 12, 2008, 05:29:48 AM
lolol nits, get it in.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 12, 2008, 09:37:51 AM
lolol nits, get it in.

You are ahead of 10-10. The 2nd guy wont raise 500 here with 10-10. On top of that you have limping guy who is now min raising UTG. I don't like Jacks here. So Mantis the Nit it is. Fair enough i suppose. It feels ok though.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: kinboshi on November 12, 2008, 10:33:27 AM
lolol nits, get it in.

You are ahead of 10-10. The 2nd guy wont raise 500 here with 10-10. On top of that you have limping guy who is now min raising UTG. I don't like Jacks here. So Mantis the Nit it is. Fair enough i suppose. It feels ok though.

He would raise 500 with AK - which is one of his most likely holdings wouldn't you say?

Shove.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: GreekStein on November 12, 2008, 12:04:32 PM
lolol nits, get it in.

You are ahead of 10-10. The 2nd guy wont raise 500 here with 10-10. On top of that you have limping guy who is now min raising UTG. I don't like Jacks here. So Mantis the Nit it is. Fair enough i suppose. It feels ok though.

He would raise 500 with AK - which is one of his most likely holdings wouldn't you say?

Shove.

LOL


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: MC on November 12, 2008, 03:10:46 PM
I just pop this to 1500. Which should work essentially the same as shoving.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: gatso on November 12, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
if I'm in mp here I raise to 500 with a wide range as it scares the fuck out of nits and makes them pass JJ


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 12, 2008, 04:32:46 PM
lolol nits, get it in.

You are ahead of 10-10. The 2nd guy wont raise 500 here with 10-10. On top of that you have limping guy who is now min raising UTG. I don't like Jacks here. So Mantis the Nit it is. Fair enough i suppose. It feels ok though.

He would raise 500 with AK - which is one of his most likely holdings wouldn't you say?

Shove.

Maybe. But if you look down and see 6-6 the wheels fall off this strat. If you shove 6-6 then playing J-J is ok I suppose. If you only play J-J because of the pictures then I don't like it.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: AlexMartin on November 12, 2008, 04:33:40 PM
if I'm in mp here I raise to 500 with a wide range as it scares the fuck out of nits and makes them pass JJ

gl with that, utg is 4b shoving a huge chunk and u cant call.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: AlexMartin on November 12, 2008, 04:34:38 PM
edit this is only interesting coz of position full ring obv.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: kinboshi on November 12, 2008, 04:37:03 PM
lolol nits, get it in.

You are ahead of 10-10. The 2nd guy wont raise 500 here with 10-10. On top of that you have limping guy who is now min raising UTG. I don't like Jacks here. So Mantis the Nit it is. Fair enough i suppose. It feels ok though.

He would raise 500 with AK - which is one of his most likely holdings wouldn't you say?

Shove.

Maybe. But if you look down and see 6-6 the wheels fall off this strat. If you shove 6-6 then playing J-J is ok I suppose. If you only play J-J because of the pictures then I don't like it.

With the stack sizes I'm probably shoving with 66 as well.  But I'm crap at tournaments.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 13, 2008, 12:17:08 AM
i would isoraise 3bet to about 1400-1600. and call a shove from the utg min raiser


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: AlexMartin on November 13, 2008, 02:36:29 AM
i would isoraise 3bet to about 1400-1600. and call a shove from the utg min raiser

and what about the other guy? ur gonna cold 4b/fold?


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 13, 2008, 02:37:44 AM
gtfo. we are taking on the world yo


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 13, 2008, 05:40:28 AM
gtfo. we are taking on the world yo

Yes, I can just picture you and Flushy standing right at the very front of the Titanic with your arms out-stretched shouting something like that. Wouldn't that be magical. But in reality I think getting involved here is a shipwreck. Ahem.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 13, 2008, 06:04:57 PM
i would isoraise 3bet to about 1400-1600. and call a shove from the utg min raiser

and what about the other guy? ur gonna cold 4b/fold?

well when u 3b u will commited to call the other guy too. abit risky but thats what i would do


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 13, 2008, 06:12:28 PM
gtfo. we are taking on the world yo

Yes, I can just picture you and Flushy standing right at the very front of the Titanic with your arms out-stretched shouting something like that. Wouldn't that be magical. But in reality I think getting involved here is a shipwreck. Ahem.

You would. But you also said TK's JTo play wasnt that bad. Please...


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 14, 2008, 01:04:31 PM
Posted by: Rookie (Rodney)
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You would. But you also said TK's JTo play wasnt that bad. Please...

Well buddy I think I was wrong saying the play wasn't too bad. Upon reflection I think I love the way he played it. It's all very well saying it's push or fold like you've unearthed some magical secret, but considering this is how every average player would play the hand I don't think it's all that special.

Check it out.

Goodwin has slightly LESS chips than Tony.

Tony says.....Marc is far & away the best player of the three, and then goes on to say....If I Button-Raise, Marc flats it, then bets out - & I miss every flop. That is pretty interesting really. So Goodwin isn't using the push or fold mantra you suggest at all. But you think it's the only viable strat in this situation. Hmmm.

3 handed and deal done means that pre-flop pushes are carrying little FE. So Goodwin is doing a series of stop & go plays instead. Letting the raiser miss before betting at the pot. This approach carries much more FE, and of course you may hit yourself. If Tony is thinking of betting lots of different flops then the play is stylish imo. Much more sophisticated than spaz shoving really. Then when Tony does hit the flop he plays the hand perfectly imo. In fact seemingly in the very same way that Goodwin would. But p-lease and all that.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: action man on November 16, 2008, 06:20:04 AM
i fold here. Dont expect to see the 3better showing up with anything other than KK/AA here. If he has AK wow, youve missed a chance to flip for 30bb, no really tilt-inducing stuff. If he has TT or less then we have still made the right move long term so get over it yo.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: AlexMartin on November 16, 2008, 11:16:46 AM
i fold here. Dont expect to see the 3better showing up with anything other than KK/AA here. If he has AK wow, youve missed a chance to flip for 30bb, no really tilt-inducing stuff. If he has TT or less then we have still made the right move long term so get over it yo.

srsly if clam says this is a fold, its a fold. weeeeeeeeeee was right in a tournament situation for once.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: NoflopsHomer on November 17, 2008, 12:29:57 PM
I folded. OR called the original raiser and CRAI-ed on a 9-6-3 rainbow board. RR, committed, called with A-K and OR had T-T. T-T held though I still think this was the bottom of their ranges and think I was right to fold, despite Rooks calling me an ubernit. :D


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: action man on November 17, 2008, 04:41:59 PM
i fold here. Dont expect to see the 3better showing up with anything other than KK/AA here. If he has AK wow, youve missed a chance to flip for 30bb, no really tilt-inducing stuff. If he has TT or less then we have still made the right move long term so get over it yo.


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: Thekellster89 on November 18, 2008, 07:20:59 PM
this is on crypto tho, they always min raise with AA.

pass imo


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: Moorman1 on December 02, 2008, 01:18:01 PM
i'd fold in less than 2 seconds tbh


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: mondatoo on December 02, 2008, 01:26:22 PM
i'd fold in less than 2 seconds tbh

Just what i was about to say but i think this should only take 1 second, ur slacking moorman


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: Royal Flush on December 02, 2008, 07:20:06 PM
i'd fold in less than 2 seconds tbh

Just what i was about to say but i think this should only take 1 second, ur slacking moorman

Nah he is just muti table folding premiums, he is that good


Title: Re: JJ Preflop Problem
Post by: mondatoo on December 02, 2008, 08:58:46 PM
i'd fold in less than 2 seconds tbh

Just what i was about to say but i think this should only take 1 second, ur slacking moorman

Nah he is just muti table folding premiums, he is that good

He is just running lucky at the minute imo  ;whistle;