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Ok this is a real newbie question that gets asked by players new to the game, well I've always ignored these sort of threads as they tilt me and will probably tilt you too The article talks about a big buyin tourney with 10k starting stack, 25/50 blinds and you are in the BB with QQ. Folds to the SB who shoves and shows AK suited.

Please discuss and state what you would do in this situation along with what sort of stakes you normally play.

http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/15093

Snap call.

People who are folding here clearly aren't comfortable with playing a big tournament if they declare they're there for the 'experience'. If you're that sort of person, I honestly believe you'd better off selling the seat and buying yourself something nice with the money.

Well assuming equal ability across a field (like ICM does) you should snap call this as a favourite. Of course this is hardly ever the case and in this situation for a player who has a clear edge over the field, folding has some arguement. Though if we were 60/40 fave i would never chuck it but 53/47 is a pretty marginal spot, with an edge over the field.

The buyin/ enjoying the experience are pretty irrelevant to me personally, it is the  long term expectation of the play which interests me

Mid stakes, high volume sng donk fwiw.

snap ldo

there really isn't much to discuss here.

yep yep, though different people consider different things to be "nice" so if he's gonna buy crack or a gun or something instead i wouldnt support that(unless i know him and he's in a sharing mood)

What about if he was going to buy a fluffy rabbit but there was like a 50/50 chance that said fluffy rabbit would be used as a cricket bat at some point?.

A good players edge usually comes later in a comp, long after u get to 20k, rather than the process of getting to 20k, i take it on and using any edge am on 25k before the know whats happened.

If you fold QQ here because you have an edge against the field then you probably don't have an edge against the field.

You will leave the tournament on Day 2 with no money, but a story of how you got it in with the best hand.


Other reason for folding, to enjoy the experience?
It's just a card game ffs, what experience are you savouring, the thrill of playing weak tight?

Sell your seat and go bungee jumping imo. The first boing is the biggest (apparently)

Cardplayer article originality is pretty poor.

They must write that same article every six months. Sometimes it's about folding AA in the first hand of the world series when the whole table goes all-in or something like that, but it's the same article really.

While I'm slamming it, could someone explain to me why reason#1 is different from reason#2 here.

First, let's look at the common arguments I hear for folding:

(1) If you're a good player, you want to use your skill to find a better spot to get your chips in.

(2) You don't want to risk your entire tournament on one hand, especially in a coin-flip situation.



Anyway...

I'm guessing they had the same editor as a few years back. Every single month a different person would write the same shit about Chris (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=504) Moneymaker (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=504), Positively Fifth Street and the WPT creating an online poker boom.

After six consecutive months of this hacneyed pisch, I chose to ignore said comic.

call, then hopefully you lose and you can gtfo of live poker and play online.

im kinda torn. if im rolled for 10k tournaments (obv never gonna happen) then i snap coz i like money. Obv assuming equal ability its a snap. but i do think i can find so many better places to make chips risk free. I feel like a mug for saying that but sigh its true.

Is this 9th level analysis?

no sir, i play tournaments, we dont think above level 1.

lol at ever folding this, chance to get to 20k str8 away vs making up some imaginary edge where you outplay your oppos off the table and make the 10k chips without hitting flops for hours. spare me. Get it in use stack to get deep then use edge. 

If there was a casino game where you have a 6% edge would we all go and play it.....I think so

Where is the debate?  Even I instacall here. 

 ;marks;

I would seriously question the judgement of someone who wanted to use a fluffy rabbit as a cricket bat, it's just too soft, you wouldnt be able to hit anything very far with it.

^I agree with this.

What if you are in the same situation, but you have pocket sixes and are about 52%. Do you still all snap? Cos 2% extra equity in this particular spot doesn't seem all that relevant to me. If someone did this every tournament, then perhaps yes it would be relevant. But I think it's okay to be results orientated here right? And lets face it, half the time you double up, half the time you're felted.

I would argue that 20,000 chips in the first 3-4 levels of a tournament plays very similar to 10,000 chips because you have so many big blinds. I guess dependant on who else at the table accumulates chips. 3-4 levels is a reasonable amount of time to accumulate chips more traditionally. My point is, I'm not sure you gain sufficient edge on the tournament to make this worthwhile.

If I'm sitting on the table with 5 famous pros and 3 Scandi's wearing expensive watches, I'm happy to call all day with QQ. But if there's a bunch of satellite players and such on my table, there's every chance I'd muck...

...and then cry when 2 hands later they move you to the table with the 5 pros and 3 scandis

So what do you do if the three scandi's arent even wearing watches?

If we could find a reasonable taxidermist, you'd change your tune.

sigh at how they now have a truly communal telepathic brain network, where only the king scandie antonius has to wear one. world domination is near.

Antonius is not a Scandie. He's Finnish.

If you read the original Sklansky thing you'll find that there is a level zero for you to think at if you want.

 

siiiiiiiiick gonna have to try tht out.

When I put Scandinavia into google, all sources bar Wikipedia say Finland is in Scandinavia, albeit only Northern Finland.

I would therefore contend that a Finnish man is Scandinavian.

I'm with you Alex

lol exactly...

I was under the impression Scandinavia was Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland?

What about the Åland Islands?

They need some love in this debate.

wooooooooohoooooooooo, thats where i'm at baby, it rocks

No, Denmark, Norway and Sweden are the Scandinavian countries. Add Iceland and Finland and they become the 'Nordic' countries. Ask anyone from those countries and they'll say that is the case.

no-one likes a smartarse. but fairplay, u is wel smart bruv.

Yeah - Danes, Swedes and Norwegians think that Finns are a bit strange.