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very first hand...

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Heads Up - 3/6 - 13/11/08 - Pacific Poker

Kuchiki ($1,135) post $3
Edgy11 ($600) post $6

Edgy11 dealt  Ad Ac

Kuchiki raises to $15
Edgy11 reraises $46

Kuciki calls $31


flop  Td Qc Kd

Edgy11 bets $68
Kuchiki raises to $190


Edgy11.............................

surely the reason you lead out here is because you hope he comes over the top?.

Shove

HA DU KEN THE MOFO!!!!!

I would concur with the gentleman who recommends haduken-ing the mofo

Never fold this

really? u think its as easy as that?

fraid so

122 to win 350

Doesn't even need to stove it, it's a snapper

No one is all in here Tank, still $350 behind.

I think it is a pretty shitty spot fwiw and i am tez at HU, so will leave to others to decide what the best line is here.

so even though i could be behind u think its a "snapper" due to me gettin 2:1 plus its not even at an all stage yet

we are def not committed here but it's still all going in, horrible flop really, we're about 50/50(maybe a 5-10% dog) against a lot of hands here(unless oppo has k9 which is the only sort of hand we can beat) i expect him to snap our shove and show kj, obv it comes A on the turn at which point you pull hard on your bollox then watch the last A drop the river for a bit of exitement(i gotta stop watching ER, too much drama)

misread by me

there are a few KJ/QJ pair/combo hands in his range as well as AJ and flush draws. I very much doubt he shows up with air here.
I don't think a fold is a mistake tbh i cant see how you can get it in vs him here and ever be in really good shape apart from him having AK and he prolly  4bets this pre.
I think this is really tricky actually. With no reads on player i can find a fold here. I dont like a shove from you in this spot. If you are to proceed i think a C/r/c/c on the turn is the way to go. I doubt he has Diamonds here and there are a lot of turn cards which can slow the action down for both, as well as make your oppos hand, if he has say KJ/JQ etc....

My play here would be to..errrrrm.......fold, i just hate the spot and think he's bluffing very seldom, and the only hands you are a fav of are his pair/T combo hands.

hate the flop lead m8. srsly before value betting a hand say "what would i do if my opponent raised". U really aint gonna get 3 streets here, ur gonna get shoved on a tonne, floated a lot and have little/ no pot control if u build pot on flop. In this spot, unless you are in a properly tough HU game (which you shouldnt be obv) i think folding is most deffo best, hits a calling range too hard and you dont have enough equity v a made hand.

LOL'Z hard at the haduken bit quality

This is a pass. Players will very rarely get out of line in the first hand. His range almost always would include hands that have you fairly locked aswell. KK, QQ, TT, AJ, KQ, KT, QT

u can rule out kk qq i think because he would 3b u pre. i think the first hand there is more of a chance to get out of line. when i play hu i always want to set the tone and pace of the game at the start. he has also has more than the starting stack so he might have more gamble in him. his most likely hands are kj kq kt qt jq imo.

but i would still HA DU KEN him!

Nasty spot and a dirty dirty flop for your hand. We dont know the opponent but I would think he's almost never showing up with air to raise you here. Im ruling out KK and QQ too but AJ, QK 10,10 are all possible and have us in all kinds of bad shape. Do we really wanna get our whole stack in here second guessing against one of the few KJ/QJ type hands that at the moment we stand favourite (though not massively) against?

I can't really see how you can justify a flat call here either when you must know all the money is most likely going in on the turn if he does have you beat and if its one of those occasions where he does have air its unlikely you're getting a penny more anyway and cant really value bet your hand too well.

Check/call flop. As played, fold.

i'm still learning HU, but here I definitely check call the flop and then see what happens on the turn, he might have bottom two and a scare card (straight card) on the turn might slow him down. 100% against insta shoving, with deep stacks it's not a positive play long term I don't think. If the scare card comes you get another card to make your hand and if it doesn't you have to try and judge his hand strength by his turn bet IMO. So what happened???

i ended up folding

Shove it all in pre obv....

disagree with quite a few points on here im betting this flop everytime and i doubt your gonna get floated that often when this board hits your range so hard. i dont mind a bet/fold or bet/shove its very close either way. if your not rolled for this level id say bet/fold. decision would be alot easier if we had info on the players tendencies.

saying check this flop because you dont want a hard decision is only going to cost you money.

lol wot u tryin to say???

 :D shut it fish!

Reraise pre is a bit small given your stack sizes, position, and zero previous on your opponent. Shitty flop, I'd probably have kept pot smaller there. You bet, he reraises, on that flop the reraise can mean totally different things from different players. Basically you're lost. A call is ok, actually given your flop action I don't mind the fold either.
imo, AA is a pretty crap deep stacked cash game hand. You start off with the best starting hand and it ends up being you doing all the brainwork on the flop.  Against any kind of strength I try to put in a lot more prelop, a jam is not the worst move. To a big reraise AK KK QQ JJ stimes TT isn't passing.
Misclick jam pre :D

ps never ever ever ever shove here. A fold is a MUCH better move than a shove. You have no previous on him. It is more likely than not that he will only call if he is ahead, which he quite possibly is.

surely a call is the worst play here.