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In a story too long to go into, I've been screwed by a big bookmaker for about £1,000.

I know morally I am 100% in the right, but after trying to get my cash by contacting IBAS and the Racing Post it looked like all is lost.

But, Neteller is currently offering their VIP clients a special offer. For the next month or so, for every deposit you make with a "merchant" they will give you 0.5% of the transaction.

Do you think it's morally acceptable for me to deposit and withdraw £10,000 once a day for 20 days, so I get my £1,000 they basically stole from me?

I know it's likely I will get my account closed when they see what I'm doing, but as they restrict my bets to a maximum of £100, that's no big deal to me.

I am assuming they pay neteller some percentage of each deposit as a fee. So it will mean I am earning NT alot of dosh.

Absa-fkin-lutely!

Especially if you believe your in the right m8.

Gl with this.

Always morally acceptable to screw big bookmakers.

Might not necessary be £1,000 of EV you're taking back though. If your VIP neteller account gets shut down, will this not cost you something in the future?

not worth the hassle keith imo. The best way to do it would be to buy an A9 greyhound for about £500 get a trainer to "get him ready" then go round all of the shops on a mad spree and stick loads on at sp. Make sure it is in a BAGS meeting. Then have a word with one or two of the on track bookie's and make them drift the price to around 7/1, then when it storms in u go collecting with a smile on your face. It's your dog afterall, whats wrong with having a few quid on?

obv call the dog sweet revenge. pm me before it runs ty.

One possible hitch with your plan Keith is that there may be small print requiring you to "churn" your deposit before they allow you to withdraw it. I know that this is the case with some poker sites.

In my experieince of having a lump on a dog in a BAGS meeting in a highstreet bookies they usually wont let you take the price.

can you paraphrase?

i'm intigued to know what happend now?

Why don't you just deposit and witdraw £200k once?

yeah, but he's not taking the price, its a knock out job, the bookies on course are in on the coup and drift the dog out for a healthy sp

for the knock out job it has to be a pretty empty track with a weak market(that being said the state of the game today,especially BAGS meetings) that's most of em.

The way i'm running at the moment we'd get a dog up at about 7's that was 1/2 a second faster than anything else in the field but wound up getting knocked about all over the gaff to get bt a short head!!! ::)

yeah had those.

i only fancied one dog on the bags yesterday. It was the 3.58 at monmore (S3) and the 2 dog was a bitch in form, the time dog and had slight trouble. It looked booked to lead the 1 up and folow the 3 round. I marked it up as a 7/4 shot. It opened up 7/2 so i had a decent bet on it, then all of a sudden there was trouble at the traps. It looked to involve trap 3, so the dogs went back to the kennels to be checked by the vets. The 3 dog was withdrawn and the new market opened up at 5/2 about the 2dog. Ive never seen a rule4 in a dog race but thought they existed. It won and as the 3dog was a 7/1 shot expected 15p in the pound reduction, instead of what i got, SP at 5/2 FML

hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm ;carlocitrone;, the way you've read the race(if you've read it right) you shouldve had a press up!!!

5/2 seems huge value now IMO, this is why....

You've marked the dog up as a 7/4 shot when looking to get it round the first trouble free in 2nd or third, it's not only got extra room to manouvre with next door vacant(i know this is important in those six bend affairs at monmore cos it's quite a short run to the first bend) but now it looks booked to lead as well with the early pace dog out?

surley a press up job?

nah, had a bigger than usual bet on it as it was.

Basically they had an advert in the Racing Post which included which I thought was an amazing "money back" special offer.

I went to a shop and had £1000 on the bet. And sure enough it lost but triggered the money back offer.

I went to collect my refund only to be told "the refund applies to phone and net clients only".

Sure enough, the next time they ran the ad, the rider was there. BUT IT DEFINITELY WASN'T THERE THE DAY I HAD MY BET!

they used the old "other t&c's apply" card and refused to pay. I would never had the bet if the cashback offer hadn't been made. They never would have laid me the bet on the net or phone.

I think I was screwed.

Don't see why my NT would get shut down.. they are making the offer to encourage people to make lots of deposits and withdrawals surely?

Will you lend me the balance please?

Good luck with this but I fear they will no doubt find a hidden t & c to fuck you over again. Bookies are never wrong and don't give a monkeys about customer service and business sense.

I stopped using Bluesquare, at the time my main ipoker client and my main sports book, after they shafted me out of the princely sum of £30. I even wrote to there customer service director pointing out the madness of not paying me what I was due, they didn't even respond and I have not spent a solitary penny on Bluesquare since, the way my football betting is running it's cost them plenty. Sadly I can't close my account completely because of the APAT events.

was it a digital version of the racing post or a paper copy?

I dont know how google cache works, but maybe that will have a copy of the former, and if its the latter, maybe someone will still have a copy?? It could be worth double checking before you proceed

I've never heard of a money back offer allowing bets up to a G-ball either, do these things come around often?


As for your Q, if you can get away with it, then go for it, but i suspect the site will have some choice words to say about it once it cottons on.

yeah pretty much this, if you havnt still got the copy of the post see if someone else has got it.

could be some fanastic e-mail correspondence between you and the firm if you go ahead with your plan to get your dough back and it works ;D

keith says they say it had other t&c's apply and it was in those. To be honest Keith should have asked at the shop if it was valid or not. Which bookies? Did they offer you nothing as an 'act of good faith'?

and i'm pretty certain your plan wouldn't work, you may get 2 days through but unlikely to get more than that. These things are monitored daily and especially the big transactions.

Oh they don't deny the net and phone clause rider wasn't in the ad.

they insulted my intelligence by claiming "there wasn't enough room in the advert for the line" when it was a full page ad, the next time the ad ran it was half page, and the line DID appear.

It was the newspaper and I still have the copy of the ad.

yeah one of the reasons i only bet online is the offers you get which dont apply in the bookies ,so i assume the conditions of bet are probably right, you have to place bet on internet or phone, but they havent gone out of there way to explain the terms,and its obvious you have been misslead.
if the offer was for just 1 particular race it may be worth sending a email to ATR and explaining how you would never have placed the bet except for the cashback offer, if they think your right they may shame them into paying you out, nothing to loose
if the offer was for any race not sure how you can prove you only placed the bet because of the offer,  gl

If IBAS and the racing post draws a blank,....its not looking great!

Maybe if you want to piss them off/revenge....how about the Small claims court?

It's very cheap and easy.....A) you might persuade a judge on your moral case.
                                      B).they would prob instruct solicitors to turn up involving a nice little cost to them.

they dont have a max deposit in the conditions?

Did anything ever come of this Keith ?

Don't need to get the bookies involved, will be no-one there so just smash into the 2nd/3rd fave on track and it will shoot your price out, as well as act as insurance.

and smashing into one these days with the one course firms at a bags meeting constitutes as being about £40-50! sad but true.

Agreed, a £50 on a dog on course at a bags meeting will take at LEAST half a point off.

I think i posted this on here before somewhere, i went to crayford saturday night ages ago, was packed but not with punters but drinkers, the inside was packed and i think i was waiting to back a dog later and i was mucking untill then, there was no one outside and i had (it might have been £20 but im almost certain it was £10) on a dog @ 7/2 and he wiped it and put 3/1, i think i was one of about 3 people to have a bet with them outside that race, sad to see!

lol yeah put 200 on the 2nd/3rd fave and you will drift massive.

This isn't just lack of punters though. It's also weak bookies. I go Oxford quite alot and yeah it's generally quite empty. But you know who the best guy there is coz he hold's the price a bit longer even though i've put my bet on for £40-£50.

It's like, you have to have 3 bookies at a BAGS meeting for betting shop odd's purposes. But all the bookies there are either working together, or if not, they are just copying each others prices! I mean at Swindon couple weeks ago... One guy is a decent punter, has a phone to his ear and wanders outside when he knows what hes backing.. He would go to the bookie on the right, and he's getting on my dog, I can hear him ask, so I run to the bookie on the left and he has already wiped his price off! WTF is that. Obv on this occasion I held my bet and went for value in the race which won. LOL. In your face weak bookie.

I know what you're saying but this was tony morris!!!

Kinda poignant as well in that his trick at catford used to be adding half a point to a dog after someone he didnt like or didnt recognise had just backed it to wind them up a bit, anyway i fancied a dog one night in any pretty open graded race down there and they were betting like 5/2 each of 3 and an overound of about 150%, just ridic and so i get my pal to bowl up to him and have a £10 on this dog by i instruct to be as obnoxious as possible, just make it look like you think you know everything and that seems to always give him the hump, i dont know why but he used to do it so much, he mustve hated the punters so much, anyway as standard as soon as my pal does his thing he rubs it and shows 3/1 at which point i bunk it and get a £300 on.

good plan in theory and he knew what i'd done which i liked!

[ ]the dog didnt fall out and stay last the whole race!

I was praying that fcking dog won, just that one time so he knew i'd done him up, sigh!

Mission (pretty much) accomplished :)

Brick through the window?

Can i just say i was chatting to my pal about this the other day and we were talking about catford and he said: "that was john humphrys you pillock not tony morris"

I'm murder with names

I used to like tony morris.