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Title: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 01, 2008, 01:11:02 PM So I've started playing a few stt's and it started out ok, I had a decent ROI, albeit on a very small sample,but things were looking good.
Then I started watching some CR vids and since, it's all gone wrong. Orignally I decided to play such a few hands until late comp but the vids showed that I was playing too tight and missing out on value. Sure enough, I opened up in the early stages and mid comp often had a healthy stack but not long after I seem to lose it all and I'm not sure why. Perhaps I need to play the same for the first couple of levels, tighten up, then open up again later on? I'm not talking a massive opening range early on, but I'd tend to fold small pairs etc instead of opening with a raise from time to time. Anyway, not sure what I'm after but it feels better to put it down. Title: Re: stt help Post by: anthonyl on December 01, 2008, 01:15:57 PM what stacks do you tend to lose ur chips too? i always like attacking the mid stacks when 4-5 left in a 10 man SNG, these are the ones who tend to wait until they are then paid
Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 01, 2008, 01:23:34 PM I'm more playing the cards, stuff like AK/AQ and being called by stupid small pairs. Perhaps it's just variance. I should look at who I'm attacking too though, perhaps there's something in that. Little point shoving in to some equally as desperate as me I guess.
Title: Re: stt help Post by: Longy on December 01, 2008, 06:36:00 PM Post hands Silo, i think you are looking for a generic solution and there isn't one even for sngs.
Playing like a complete nit early in sngs will show a profit long term as long as you get your end game right. Fwiw i limp most pairs 99 and below as long as i have correct implied odds to call a standard raise to set mine. If it is folded to me in co/btn and i will open for a standard raise. The mid game/end game in speeds/turbos is almost all push/fold based and sngwiz is what you want for that. Title: Re: stt help Post by: Robert HM on December 01, 2008, 06:57:30 PM http://blondepoker.com/?q=node/3448
http://blondepoker.com/?q=node/3498 http://blondepoker.com/?q=node/3523 Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 02, 2008, 07:39:05 PM E-mail me a couple of tournament historys is you like and I'll look through em and offer a comment or two.
Pick a couple of games where you finished 1st or 2nd and send em over. Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 02, 2008, 08:06:58 PM Cheers, I'll see if I can dig something out.
It's the ones where I don't cash I'm concerned about ;) Mind, it's obviously those that I'm perhaps getting lucky with. Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 02, 2008, 08:11:16 PM It's just so I can see a sample of all stages of the game is all.
I'm still very much a student of the game myself, but I may be able to point out any obvious leaks. Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 02, 2008, 08:15:11 PM Cheers Tank, I appreciate that. Would uploading them to the Cardrunners replayer be easier? Are you a member?
Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 02, 2008, 08:40:48 PM Doh! I've recently got a new computer and just realised that I didn't have the Save Hand Histories locally box ticked on Tilt so I don't actually have any at the moment. I may be able to get some of my old computer but I may just play some more and ship them over if that's ok? May take a couple of days but I'd definatley like to take up your kind offer.
Now I just need to win one !! Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 02, 2008, 08:42:55 PM Just the text file is cool as I can pop em through the popopop replayer. That's best for me as I know how to use all the popopop jizz.
I'm not currently a member of cardrunners. Yeah, just play a few and ship em over whenever. Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 02, 2008, 08:43:19 PM Cool, will do thanks :)
Title: Re: stt help Post by: vegaslover on December 08, 2008, 09:32:13 PM Silo, what levels are you playing at currently?
If your still playing lowish than standard v tight early is probs the way to go. Just get the end game icm on the right lines. I'm not a member, but i'm guessing that the CR vids are probably more useful against a better standard of player. Title: Re: stt help Post by: gatso on December 08, 2008, 09:41:58 PM if silo and tank don't mind could we post the tournament histories and tank's comments here? would be useful to a lot of people
Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 08, 2008, 10:06:53 PM I'm only starting at the $5's on Tilt so I don't go busto too easily! I'm getting there though, I watched the next in the CR vid section and it bought a few things together, mainly don't play the mid game the same as the start :blonde: but Tank has kindly commented on one of my histories and it's been really useful.
if silo and tank don't mind could we post the tournament histories and tank's comments here? would be useful to a lot of people That's more down to Tank I'm afraid. I have no problems, but then my end is just a tourney I didn't play that well. I'm not sure that regular stt players will find it useful, there were several basic errors that I'm guilty of and hopefully it's helped erase those. I don't want it sharing if you're all hitting the $5-$10 stt's though :D Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 08, 2008, 11:36:36 PM if silo and tank don't mind could we post the tournament histories and tank's comments here? would be useful to a lot of people I'd rather not tbh. I don't want to try and pass myself off as some kind of STT guru. I'm still learning the game too, and doing most of that learning by watching videos at SnG Icons. If I start reviewing complete hand historys for public consumption, I'd want to say a lot of the same things those guys are saying. I don't want to rip them off coz they're good guys. Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 17, 2008, 07:23:57 PM Sick board, I thought I was laughing when the flush draw came on the turn, but the river was a bit of a killer. Was it worth a punt on the river, small bet perhaps? Aside from the dogs bollocks Qc, KJ and KT are both easily playable hands at my levels.
Full Tilt Poker Game #9543094388: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (72810758), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:16:28 ET - 2008/12/17 Seat 1: Nickaa111 (1,585) Seat 2: JaJuLi (1,500) Seat 3: geehaalee (1,365) Seat 4: seldom11 (1,515) Seat 5: Lucky579 (1,675) Seat 6: orlaens (1,440) Seat 7: kudonk (1,220) Seat 8: Bokeh (1,560) Seat 9: thomasTT1 (1,640) thomasTT1 posts the small blind of 20 Nickaa111 posts the big blind of 40 The button is in seat #8 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Bokeh [9s 9h] JaJuLi folds geehaalee has 15 seconds left to act geehaalee folds seldom11 folds Lucky579 folds orlaens calls 40 kudonk folds Bokeh calls 40 thomasTT1 folds Nickaa111 checks *** FLOP *** [Kc 9c Kh] Nickaa111 checks orlaens has 15 seconds left to act orlaens bets 80 Bokeh calls 80 Nickaa111 calls 80 *** TURN *** [Kc 9c Kh] [Jc] Nickaa111 checks orlaens checks Bokeh bets 200 Nickaa111 calls 200 orlaens folds *** RIVER *** [Kc 9c Kh Jc] [Tc] Nickaa111 checks Bokeh checks *** SHOW DOWN *** Bokeh shows [9s 9h] a full house, Nines full of Kings Nickaa111 mucks Bokeh wins the pot (780) with a full house, Nines full of Kings *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 780 | Rake 0 Board: [Kc 9c Kh Jc Tc] Seat 1: Nickaa111 (big blind) mucked [Ks 8h] - three of a kind, Kings Seat 2: JaJuLi didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: geehaalee didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: seldom11 didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: Lucky579 didn't bet (folded) Seat 6: orlaens folded on the Turn Seat 7: kudonk didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: Bokeh (button) showed [9s 9h] and won (780) with a full house, Nines full of Kings Seat 9: thomasTT1 (small blind) folded before the Flop Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 17, 2008, 09:53:33 PM Another question, lots of people are happy to get it in early comp with any pair, is that +EV? Any pair, 22 even. If it's raised preflop, they shove.
Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 18, 2008, 12:21:00 AM What do you think?
Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 18, 2008, 12:33:05 AM Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 18, 2008, 11:37:02 PM Computer says no, but it does appear at a glance to be worth it. That said, I don't do it and am not really tempted.
ICM gets interesting doesn't it. It's quite suprising how certain hands change in value against different chip stacks. I'm only taking the easy method with SNGEGT at the moment, but it's slowly sinking in and I'm getting a few decisions right on my own. I'm a bit gutted it ran me into KK a couple of mins ago though :D Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 18, 2008, 11:57:58 PM keep the faith
Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 19, 2008, 02:22:10 PM I'm a bit gutted it ran me into KK a couple of mins ago though :D meh, it happens! It happens a lot. Just satisfy yourself in knowing that your shove with 83o is a much better long term decision than when someone calls you with A8 and beats you. Just remember that as you play against the same players a lot they will adjust to your shoving range so make sure you track their calling range and adjust accordingly. I find that one of the best notes to keep on players is whether or not they appear to be using ICM principles themselves. Does their game change significantly when they hit 10 BBs? If it does then you can be fairly certain that early on they're only raising from EP with premiums and that late on they will shove unopened pots with pretty much atc. Might be worth looking at. Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 19, 2008, 03:43:07 PM Cheers,
I'm working on adjusting ranges and making notes on each player. I've not got that much taken down at the moment, but I'm gradually picking up on people. I'll take a look at what people do with 10 BB's in my next session, I have to admit, I haven't paid attention to it that much yet, just been working on my basic strategy at the moment. Hoping to play a good few soon (for me). My Tilt bonus runs out at the end of Jan so I'd like to get as many in before then as I can. Hoping to hit a few Happy Hours to help, but even then I doubt I'll clear more than another $60 at the most as it takes about 100 games at $5 to clear $20, that's without hitting a sick run of course and moving up a level :D Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 19, 2008, 09:58:54 PM [ ] You should read the Dean's articles.
Title: Re: stt help Post by: Longy on December 20, 2008, 01:04:53 PM Sick board, I thought I was laughing when the flush draw came on the turn, but the river was a bit of a killer. Was it worth a punt on the river, small bet perhaps? Aside from the dogs bollocks Qc, KJ and KT are both easily playable hands at my levels. Full (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206)Tilt (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206) Poker Game #9543094388: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (72810758), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:16:28 ET - 2008/12/17 Seat 1: Nickaa111 (1,585) Seat 2: JaJuLi (1,500) Seat 3: geehaalee (1,365) Seat 4: seldom11 (1,515) Seat 5: Lucky579 (1,675) Seat 6: orlaens (1,440) Seat 7: kudonk (1,220) Seat 8: Bokeh (1,560) Seat 9: thomasTT1 (1,640) thomasTT1 posts the small blind of 20 Nickaa111 posts the big blind of 40 The button is in seat #8 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Bokeh [9s 9h] JaJuLi folds geehaalee has 15 seconds left to act geehaalee folds seldom11 folds Lucky579 folds orlaens calls 40 kudonk folds Bokeh calls 40 thomasTT1 folds Nickaa111 checks *** FLOP *** [Kc 9c Kh] Nickaa111 checks orlaens has 15 seconds left to act orlaens bets 80 Bokeh calls 80 Nickaa111 calls 80 *** TURN *** [Kc 9c Kh] [Jc] Nickaa111 checks orlaens checks Bokeh bets 200 Nickaa111 calls 200 orlaens folds *** RIVER *** [Kc 9c Kh Jc] [Tc] Nickaa111 checks Bokeh checks *** SHOW DOWN *** Bokeh shows [9s 9h] a full house, Nines full of Kings Nickaa111 mucks Bokeh wins the pot (780) with a full house, Nines full of Kings *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 780 | Rake 0 Board: [Kc 9c Kh Jc Tc] Seat 1: Nickaa111 (big blind) mucked [Ks 8h] - three of a kind, Kings Seat 2: JaJuLi didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: geehaalee didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: seldom11 didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: Lucky579 didn't bet (folded) Seat 6: orlaens folded on the Turn Seat 7: kudonk didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: Bokeh (button) showed [9s 9h] and won (780) with a full house, Nines full of Kings Seat 9: thomasTT1 (small blind) folded before the Flop I would raise the flop to set up getting in stacks by the river and also there are a lot of hands that will come along for the ride on this flop. Yes bet the river every time, admittedly getting raised on the river would be pretty sick but you are missing too much value by checking the river imo. Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 20, 2008, 11:22:21 PM What a bag of bollocks today was. The first real effort I've put in, a record breaking 22 stt's in a day for a huge downswing in my roll. Just 4 cashes with 3 3rds and a 2nd today and managed to bubble 7 of them. Just couldn't win any races, lost all when I was ahead and generally took a beating.
I don't know how you lot do it without getting demoralised with it all. I'm done for today, will start fresh tomorrow. Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 21, 2008, 06:45:49 AM What a bag of bollocks today was. The first real effort I've put in, a record breaking 22 stt's in a day for a huge downswing in my roll. Just 4 cashes with 3 3rds and a 2nd today and managed to bubble 7 of them. Just couldn't win any races, lost all when I was ahead and generally took a beating. I don't know how you lot do it without getting demoralised with it all. I'm done for today, will start fresh tomorrow. As long as you know that you've made the correct decisions then it isn't a problem. Just keep telling yourself it's varience. It should help you get through some bad runs. 7 bubbles is a bit nasty though. Why don't you post the hand histories for your exit hands. Let people analyse them and let you know whether you muffed the hands or just got unlucky. It'll make the bad run easier to take if you know that you were just coolered. Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 21, 2008, 08:26:15 AM I'll look at that latest tourney you sent me tomorrow (this afternoon) when I get out of bed.
Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 21, 2008, 08:35:11 AM Cheers Tank
Will get the exit hands on here later on, cheers EP Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 21, 2008, 09:21:12 AM Here's the exit hands, 7 bubbles and a 5th place one. Any C&C welcomed :)
Hand 1 (http://www.pokerhand.org/?3615051) Hand 2 (http://www.pokerhand.org/?3615053) Hand 3 (http://www.pokerhand.org/?3615055) Hand 4 (http://www.pokerhand.org/?3615058) Hand 5 (http://www.pokerhand.org/?3615060) Hand 6 (http://www.pokerhand.org/?3615063) Hand 7 (http://www.pokerhand.org/?3615064) Hand 8 (http://www.pokerhand.org/?3615066) Title: Re: stt help Post by: pokerfan on December 21, 2008, 12:58:06 PM Looks pretty standard to me,the beats are harsh but they are just beats. Whats more worrying is the fact in all 8 games your lowest chip stack!
ATC shoves have much more power against someone who can actually go broke. Although in these instances maybe only 1 hand wouldve been a fold from villain. Title: Re: stt help Post by: GlasgowBandit on December 21, 2008, 01:31:10 PM I think one of the major things wih STT's are that so many people are playing the same game, with all these training sites preaching that there is a certain way to play it seems thats 80% of players are al trying to copy that and therein lies the problem.
Title: Re: stt help Post by: gatso on December 21, 2008, 01:34:53 PM yeah, pretty standard graham, in fact that looks pretty much like my session from yesterday, it's annoying but it happens. I play 7 of the 8 hands the same way, the only one I might vary on is hand 2, the K6 one.
sometimes I might just complete here depending on how the table's playing and who is in the BB as we're not 100% desperate yet. this is probs the wrong play though Title: Re: stt help Post by: bolt pp on December 21, 2008, 01:40:42 PM I think one of the major things wih STT's are that so many people are playing the same game, with all these training sites preaching that there is a certain way to play it seems thats 80% of players are al trying to copy that and therein lies the problem. Attack these players first three levels then, play some post flop poker. Title: Re: stt help Post by: TheChipPrince on December 21, 2008, 01:59:59 PM yeah, pretty standard graham, in fact that looks pretty much like my session from yesterday, it's annoying but it happens. I play 7 of the 8 hands the same way, the only one I might vary on is hand 2, the K6 one. sometimes I might just complete here depending on how the table's playing and who is in the BB as we're not 100% desperate yet. this is probs the wrong play though Yep i would not shove K6 that often here with 11 BB's. Plus I find that shoving from the small blind after all have folded gets the least amount of respect. Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 21, 2008, 06:03:40 PM I think one of the major things wih STT's are that so many people are playing the same game, with all these training sites preaching that there is a certain way to play it seems thats 80% of players are al trying to copy that and therein lies the problem. There are similarities, but I've never found two opponents who play the exact same game. Title: Re: stt help Post by: Graham C on December 21, 2008, 06:19:33 PM Thanks, good to know it's just coolers I guess but will take on board calling from the SB if the BB doesn't have form of reraising.
I do wonder sometimes about all the training sites, can't be a good thing long term for poker players. Wonder if that's why the likes of Townsend, Taylor etc decided to source income elsewhere. Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 21, 2008, 08:50:48 PM A lot of players who use training sites are still tez.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 21, 2008, 09:08:43 PM Hand #2 looks like a pretty marginal shove.
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/silok6.jpg) I prolly fold it. Title: Re: stt help Post by: gatso on December 28, 2008, 12:04:09 AM fairly common situation, is the call correct here?
Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 4 Seat 9: MrPhoenix555 ( 2,240 ) Seat 6: jan121179 ( 10,180 ) Seat 10: hero ( 3,000 ) Seat 5: ziggy888 ( 4,580 ) Trny: 43605994 Level: 6 Blinds(300/600) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to hero [ Kd Ad ] ziggy888 is all-In [4,580] jan121179 folds MrPhoenix555 is all-In [1,940] Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 28, 2008, 12:48:33 AM Definately, not close.
Folding would be huge error Title: Re: stt help Post by: gatso on December 28, 2008, 12:57:29 AM cheers, that's what I assumed. I'm never passing here but it strikes me as the sort of position where a lot of people would but I guess they're giving up a lot of value when they do
Title: Re: stt help Post by: gatso on December 28, 2008, 01:06:31 AM if I could pick your brains once again tank, I've altered the hh from the example above to a situation where I'm passing 100% of the time.
at approx what stack size would you switch from calling as in hand 1 to passing as in hand 2? Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 4 Seat 9: MrPhoenix555 ( 2,240 ) Seat 6: jan121179 ( 10,180 ) Seat 10: hero ( 30 ) Seat 5: ziggy888 ( 7,550 ) Trny: 43605994 Level: 6 Blinds(300/600) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to hero [ Ad Kd ] ziggy888 is all-In [7,550] jan121179 folds MrPhoenix555 is all-In [1,940] Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 28, 2008, 01:14:25 AM Not following.
Are our last 30 chips not posted as part of the big blind? Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 28, 2008, 01:18:55 AM 2241 chips is prolly the answer.
2239 chips is a fold. The crucial thing being that we have small blind out-chipped. The times when UTG wins the whole pot and both of us are eliminated, you'll get 3rd instead of 4th if you started the hand with more chips. Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 28, 2008, 01:22:02 AM If in the hand you posted we had 630 chips (which I think was what you're getting at) then yeah, we'd have to make a really nitty fold.
(Call with QQ, KK, AA tho) Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 28, 2008, 01:22:17 AM if I could pick your brains once again tank, I've altered the hh from the example above to a situation where I'm passing 100% of the time. at approx what stack size would you switch from calling as in hand 1 to passing as in hand 2? Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 4 Seat 9: MrPhoenix555 ( 2,240 ) Seat 6: jan121179 ( 10,180 ) Seat 10: hero ( 30 ) Seat 5: ziggy888 ( 7,550 ) Trny: 43605994 Level: 6 Blinds(300/600) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to hero [ Ad Kd ] ziggy888 is all-In [7,550] jan121179 folds MrPhoenix555 is all-In [1,940] If you have more chips than MrPhoenix I'd say it's a call because you only have to beat 1 player to put yourself in a strong position. If you have less then it's a pass because you have to beat them both. If you're on 30 you'd even pass AA because you're desperately trying to scrape the money and a triple up wouldn't make much difference. I think. EDIT: Never passing AA here if we're already in for 600 btw. 30 as opposed to potential 1890 is a definite call. Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 28, 2008, 01:25:31 AM Tank
Would you say that AA is a possible fold with 2239 chips? I'm guessing it's a call because we get a good chance of winning the lot with a triple up and we're obviously winning the hand a high % of the time. Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 28, 2008, 01:28:27 AM if I could pick your brains once again tank, I've altered the hh from the example above to a situation where I'm passing 100% of the time. at approx what stack size would you switch from calling as in hand 1 to passing as in hand 2? Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 4 Seat 9: MrPhoenix555 ( 2,240 ) Seat 6: jan121179 ( 10,180 ) Seat 10: hero ( 30 ) Seat 5: ziggy888 ( 7,550 ) Trny: 43605994 Level: 6 Blinds(300/600) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to hero [ Ad Kd ] ziggy888 is all-In [7,550] jan121179 folds MrPhoenix555 is all-In [1,940] If you have more chips than MrPhoenix I'd say it's a call because you only have to beat 1 player to put yourself in a strong position. If you have less then it's a pass because you have to beat them both. If you're on 30 you'd even pass AA because you're desperately trying to scrape the money and a triple up wouldn't make much difference. I think. Ah, is that what you're gettin' at. Hard to find that scenario in an STT. Two players need to be all-in before you 4-handed, when that happens, you will almost always be one of the blinds. Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 28, 2008, 01:32:17 AM Tank Would you say that AA is a possible fold with 2239 chips? I'm guessing it's a call because we get a good chance of winning the lot with a triple up and we're obviously winning the hand a high % of the time. Not in a regular sit n go. There are spots to fold AA in regular STTs, but they're very very rare. Double or nothings are something else, those crazees have to fold AA a couple of times a day. EDIT : I mean pre-flop folding of AA... ldo, but felt the need to clarify. Title: Re: stt help Post by: gatso on December 28, 2008, 01:33:20 AM If in the hand you posted we had 630 chips (which I think was what you're getting at) then yeah, we'd have to make a really nitty fold. (Call with QQ, KK, AA tho) yeah, soz, forgot about the blinds but this is what I was getting at. cheers for the answer Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 28, 2008, 01:35:52 AM if I could pick your brains once again tank, I've altered the hh from the example above to a situation where I'm passing 100% of the time. at approx what stack size would you switch from calling as in hand 1 to passing as in hand 2? Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 4 Seat 9: MrPhoenix555 ( 2,240 ) Seat 6: jan121179 ( 10,180 ) Seat 10: hero ( 30 ) Seat 5: ziggy888 ( 7,550 ) Trny: 43605994 Level: 6 Blinds(300/600) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to hero [ Ad Kd ] ziggy888 is all-In [7,550] jan121179 folds MrPhoenix555 is all-In [1,940] If you have more chips than MrPhoenix I'd say it's a call because you only have to beat 1 player to put yourself in a strong position. If you have less then it's a pass because you have to beat them both. If you're on 30 you'd even pass AA because you're desperately trying to scrape the money and a triple up wouldn't make much difference. I think. Ah, is that what you're gettin' at. Hard to find that scenario in an STT. Two players need to be all-in before you 4-handed, when that happens, you will almost always be one of the blinds. i think I get it now. Ziggy has moved in from the cut off, button folds, MrPhoenix has called from the SB. Given our chip count MrPhoenix must have a very strong hand unless he's not very good at stts. I'd have to put him on QQ, KK or AA. If not he's just stepping aside to let us get ko'd. No need to race with AK. Need a very strong hand to call here. Title: Re: stt help Post by: gatso on December 28, 2008, 01:44:35 AM Given our chip count MrPhoenix must have a very strong hand unless he's not very good at stts. I'd have to put him on QQ, KK or AA. If not he's just stepping aside to let us get ko'd. it's not relevant to the conversation obv as the result doesn't matter but the quoted bit made me lol. I think we'll have to put it down to him not being good at stts as he made the call with 33. and the best bit was how far ahead he was as the first ai was with 22 Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 28, 2008, 01:50:17 AM Soul pwner!
Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 28, 2008, 01:52:27 AM Given our chip count MrPhoenix must have a very strong hand unless he's not very good at stts. I'd have to put him on QQ, KK or AA. If not he's just stepping aside to let us get ko'd. it's not relevant to the conversation obv as the result doesn't matter but the quoted bit made me lol. I think we'll have to put it down to him not being good at stts as he made the call with 33. and the best bit was how far ahead he was as the first ai was with 22 rotflmfao Once again my poker reading skillz are on fire!! Title: Re: stt help Post by: gatso on December 28, 2008, 01:55:22 AM Soul pwner! it was looking that way and when he hit his 3 on the flop as well until the 22 turned a wheel and mrsuperuserphoenix went out 4th Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 28, 2008, 01:58:46 AM Soul pwner! it was looking that way and when he hit his 3 on the flop as well until the 22 turned a wheel and mrsuperuserphoenix went out 4th Obv results orientated post imo. Title: Re: stt help Post by: thetank on December 28, 2008, 02:06:22 AM The glorious thing about that is that 33 will believe he made an outstanding call and just got exceedingly unlucky. His thinking this will not be based on any kind of degenerate self denial or selective memory, but on completely rational empirical observations.
Still, despite this, he could not be more wrong and his call could not be more horrid. Beautiful game. Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 28, 2008, 02:11:33 AM The glorious thing about that is that 33 will believe he made an outstanding call and just got exceedingly unlucky. His thinking this will not be based on any kind of degenerate self denial or selective memory, but on completely rational empirical observations. Still, despite this, he could not be more wrong and his call could not be more horrid. Beautiful game. Beautiful but so bloody annoying at times. Gatso, what buy in level was this? I hope it was very low. If not I'm quitting online stts right now because I just don't get it. Title: Re: stt help Post by: gatso on December 28, 2008, 02:14:31 AM Beautiful but so bloody annoying at times. Gatso, what buy in level was this? I hope it was very low. If not I'm quitting online stts right now because I just don't get it. I think you've just announced your retirement then matt. scarily this is a $55 buy in, long may they continue to play like that at that level Title: Re: stt help Post by: EvilPie on December 28, 2008, 02:22:28 AM Beautiful but so bloody annoying at times. Gatso, what buy in level was this? I hope it was very low. If not I'm quitting online stts right now because I just don't get it. I think you've just announced your retirement then matt. scarily this is a $55 buy in, long may they continue to play like that at that level lol. Awesome. Maybe I'll just play a few more cheeky ones. Just checked MrPhoenix on Sharkscope. roi is -36% His graph looks lik a ski slope. Not bad to say he's only played 40. Sweet. |