Title: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2008, 09:51:40 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7776602.stm
Quote The Argentine Football Association is to introduce an aerosol spray to stop defenders creeping closer to the ball during a free-kick. From next year, referees will use the spray in first division matches. Referees will mark a temporary white line 9.15 metres (10 yards) from the ball, which defenders cannot cross. The spray will disappear 30 seconds later. A good idea, surely? I'd welcome it into the English league. Can't really see any reasons not to have it... Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: AndrewT on December 11, 2008, 10:01:55 AM Can't really see any reasons not to have it... It's not needed. As it is, the referee can pace out the distance, line the wall up and book anyone who moves forward. The problem is weak referees, not the fact there's no line on the pitch. Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2008, 10:11:55 AM Can't really see any reasons not to have it... It's not needed. As it is, the referee can pace out the distance, line the wall up and book anyone who moves forward. The problem is weak referees, not the fact there's no line on the pitch. Well, we have weak referees. So it is needed. Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: gatso on December 11, 2008, 10:31:12 AM can see this killing the quick free kick
Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: Rod Paradise on December 11, 2008, 11:26:58 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7776602.stm Quote The Argentine Football Association is to introduce an aerosol spray to stop defenders creeping closer to the ball during a free-kick. From next year, referees will use the spray in first division matches. Referees will mark a temporary white line 9.15 metres (10 yards) from the ball, which defenders cannot cross. The spray will disappear 30 seconds later. A good idea, surely? I'd welcome it into the English league. Can't really see any reasons not to have it... They've been doing this in some South American leagues for a while. Spray a spot where the kick is to be taken from pace the 10, spray a line, job done. It'd save that bloody annoying slow mini paces back from the wall, and the free kick taker moving the ball forward when the ref is moving the wall. Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2008, 11:32:58 AM can see this killing the quick free kick Quick free kick and the ref doesn't mark out the 10 yards - the same way as it works now. Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2008, 11:34:22 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7776602.stm Quote The Argentine Football Association is to introduce an aerosol spray to stop defenders creeping closer to the ball during a free-kick. From next year, referees will use the spray in first division matches. Referees will mark a temporary white line 9.15 metres (10 yards) from the ball, which defenders cannot cross. The spray will disappear 30 seconds later. A good idea, surely? I'd welcome it into the English league. Can't really see any reasons not to have it... They've been doing this in some South American leagues for a while. Spray a spot where the kick is to be taken from pace the 10, spray a line, job done. It'd save that bloody annoying slow mini paces back from the wall, and the free kick taker moving the ball forward when the ref is moving the wall. Exactly. It also allows the ref to concentrate on other matters other than trying to remember exactly where the wall and ball were positioned, and instead they can focus on what other players are doing to each other in the area, etc. Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: thetank on December 11, 2008, 11:43:50 AM 7 refs with coloured hankerchiefs ftw
Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: Colchester Kev on December 11, 2008, 11:45:44 AM so the ref carries a fkin aerosol can in his pocket all game ? or does he have to go to the touchline every time there is a free kick to fetch one .... stupid idea !
Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: booder on December 11, 2008, 11:46:00 AM jumpers for goalposts imo
Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2008, 11:49:13 AM so the ref carries a fkin aerosol can in his pocket all game ? or does he have to go to the touchline every time there is a free kick to fetch one .... stupid idea ! Small can on a belt, like the police who carry mace. Or he could put it down his socks, or down the front of his shorts. Title: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2008, 11:51:51 AM Added a (Graham) poll.
Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: lazaroonie on December 11, 2008, 12:00:19 PM only one winner for this poll. kudos to Dewi for starting it.
Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2008, 12:06:14 PM More here (I think Dewi wrote this):
Argentina will use a vanishing spray in first division games next year in an attempt to stop defensive walls from creeping forward at free kicks. The spray has been used on an experimental basis in the second division for the last six months and the Argentina Football Association (AFA) has now approved its use in the top flight, officials said on Wednesday. Referees pace the regulatory 10-yards between the ball and the nearest defender and then spray a white line on the pitch to mark the correct position of the wall. The line then disappears from the pitch within a minute. Referees carry the spray in a small aerosol can weighing 115 grams. Pablo Silva, a sports journalist who invented the spray and has worked with chemical engineers to develop the product, said the idea came to him when he was foiled at a free kick during an amateur game several years ago. "In the 88th minute, we were losing 1-0 and won a free kick on the edge of the area. When I took the kick, the wall was three metres away," he said earlier this year. "The referee didn't book anyone and didn't do anything. "We lost the game and, driving home later with a mixture of anger and bitterness, I thought that we must invent something to stop this." A spray has been used in some competitions in Brazil in the last few years for the same purpose. Silva said the products were different and had been developed separately. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=601022&sec=global&&cc=5739 Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: technolog on December 11, 2008, 12:59:11 PM so the ref carries a fkin aerosol can in his pocket all game ? or does he have to go to the touchline every time there is a free kick to fetch one .... stupid idea ! Small can on a belt, like the police who carry mace. Or he could put it down his socks, or down the front of his shorts. Mace the cheating feckers imo. Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: bolt pp on December 11, 2008, 01:29:55 PM so unnecessary
Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: Colchester Kev on December 11, 2008, 03:49:32 PM Seriously, they fuck about with 4 officials to a game, and now spray marking ten yards but they wont put a camera in the goal posts to check if the ball goes over the line.
Ridic idea. Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: Scottish Dave on December 11, 2008, 08:52:58 PM In my opinion, its a load of pish!
all its going to do is break the game up even more. boring. Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2008, 09:39:19 PM In my opinion, its a load of pish! all its going to do is break the game up even more. boring. It would actually speed it up. Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: Scottish Dave on December 15, 2008, 03:04:33 PM In my opinion, its a load of pish! all its going to do is break the game up even more. boring. It would actually speed it up. I beg to differ mate, let me tell you a tale for the Euro's this summer Portugal v Czech Rep. Scottish Dave, has a Scorecast bet on....... Deco First Goal, and Potrugal to win 3-1.....priced @ 150/1 Deco scores 1st in 12th Minute, and Czech equalise just before half time Ronaldo makes it 2-1 in 78th minute. Then in the 3rd minute of 3 minutes injury time, Deco is fouled at the edge of his own 18 yard box.......... Senario 1 - What actually happened: He immediately stands up, looks up to see Ronaldo on the half way line, and thumps the ball high up the park while everyone else is just standing about......Ronaldo runs through 'one on one' and side foots it to a team mate, who taps in into an open net! Result - Dave wins a tidy sum of Dosh! Senario 2 - What would have happened, if this rule was introduced: Deco would Stand up, and have to wait on the ref getting the stray out, and spraying the line...... in which time, the Czech's would have got themselves sorted and got men back to mark Ronaldo on the half way line. Meaning Deco passes to a team mate near him who them passes back to Deco blah blah blah, and the ref blows the whistle for Full Time Result - I smash my TV in for UEFA losing me a tidy sum of Dosh! Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: Josedinho on December 15, 2008, 03:27:58 PM Depends on the refs imo. If they continue to allow quick free kicks it's fine but it's when refs go to mark the line and somebody takes a quick one and the ref misses what happens that problems may start as some will just go with the "wait for the whistle" so they don't miss anything.
Title: Re: Drawing the line on free kicks Post by: kinboshi on December 15, 2008, 03:32:35 PM In my opinion, its a load of pish! all its going to do is break the game up even more. boring. It would actually speed it up. I beg to differ mate, let me tell you a tale for the Euro's this summer... <snip> Quick free-kicks can still be taken. The same way as the wall isn't moved back 10 yards on a quickly-taken free-kick. So the scenario above would have still played out as it did. I was talking about speeding up the game when the referee has said to wait for his whistle. Instead of messing about with the wall, retaken free-kicks, it's all dealt with in a matter of seconds, and the game continues. |