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Good news in that the Team GB football team looks to have the go ahead for 2012.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic_games/7785935.stm

I was worried that the players involved from which ever country would miss out on the chance to play in the Olympics due to politics, glad it now looks to be on. If we can pull a good team together can you imagine if we actually had the chance to win this at Wembley. Superb.  :)up

[ ] Olympic football is real football

hope we don't win this, would be proper sick if the scots could claim to have won an international tournament

there will only be english players in the team

threads ruined

http://www.noteamgb.com/Press-Releases/01102006-Fans-Opposee-GB-Olypic-Team.htm

 :goodpost: ;iagree;

Scots football is shit, and agree that it's highly unlikely any scot would/should make the team.

I just don't understand why, after all these years they see a need for a British football team just cos it's in the UK.

Olympics are supposed to be for amateurs, wish they'd left it like that.

Geo

meh I wish they did this when Giggsy was in his prime.

Most of the players will have to be under 23 in 2012. Obviously there will be a high percentage of English players based on numbers of players to choose from, but would expect players from rest of GB (yes including Scots).

If there were to be a team GB game next week and no injuries or age restrictions what would everyone's starting eleven be? I would only see a maximum of two non English players with any real chance of the starting 11 and one of them's a goalie.

[   ] Good News
[ x ] Not good News

Expect away, all the other home nations are strongly against this, it will be team England.

Of the standout 17/18 year olds around at the mo who will be at their peak and eligible, not including the 3 overage players, Aaron Ramsey is probably the best around at the mo...

[ ] The quoted statement is well researched...
[ ] Aaron Ramsey is English...


Unless of course the quote simple refers to the fact that only the English will have anything to do with this...

[X] fail at check boxes

I'll clarify, NOT GOOD NEWS.

I just read this link and spotted this at the bottom.

"Produced by TartanArmy.net 2008"

 :D

Of course it does. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have said 19836 times they don't want to be involved with this so it will be entirely made up of English players.

Personally i think this is a piss poor idea and will passionately support against the GB football team as if it were England. IMO IMO IMO

Sigh, i was going to point out Aaron Ramsey as Welsh and probs in the team but obv Dwayne already has.

Gareth Bale will be 22 then and stands out aswell as a possible.

Quoted For Total agreement.

Against Team GB!

Hope they get knocked out in first round!

Why?
 :dontask:

It's wrong on so many levels!

Not crazy about it but I will route for Team GB as I would England, as long as they don't really balls it up by insisting on a quota of Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish players. It should only be made up of the England under 21s the best players for the job. It should be a nice little run out for the players anyway and hopefully just a one off.

Personally i wouldn't want to risk losing the right to our individual teams in the Euros and World Cup. I love the Scotland/England rivalry and the thought of being combined into one football team makes me feel ill. Rivalry is healthy and teaming up together for the Olympics ruins it.

and as has already been said, [ ] Olympic football is real football.

The way you feel about Scotland/England rivalry, and them joining up for Team UK...... is Exactly the same as how i feel about Celtic/Rangers Rivalry, and them joining up for the Scotland team.... I don't like it one bit!

Whereas i get shot down in flames for it at times ?

Seeing as each of those FAs is 100% against any participation in this abortion of an idea, you're pretty safe there. It will also ensure that the Scots, Welsh & Norn Irish will support this team as if it were England as well. There'll be no need for away fans at Wembley, just fill it full of brits, and bingo, one hell of an atmosphere from both ends.

Because the two are completely different perhaps? One is club sides player's stepping up to represent their (and your) country, the other is your country's players being asked to play for a combined other country's select side.

You actually don;t support your country becuase Rangers and Celtic players play in the team? That's bizarre, although in fairness there are more than a few Dons fans who now think that way too.

I wonder if as rumoured Fergie will get to the lead the team and whether this might help?

no

it'll take fergie 5 season to get the team to blend together and in this day and age will get the savk before they win anything

There is no way on earth Fergie will touch this, he's made his feelings clear in the past when asked whether he would consider managing England, this is no different, in fact it will to all intents be an Englsih team if it comes off, and it will make no difference to whether any Scots back the team.

i don't support my country because, i only support one team, and thats the team i was born into and raised to follow.

In my mind there is no room for two teams in peoples lives.

I Love Celtic, and i Dislike all things Rangers, Scotland play with rangers players, therefore im going to naturally dislike Scotland.......I just cannot bring myself to cheer on players from my rival club, i just can't do it. (How you can dislike a player one week, then like them the next is beyond me!)

No worries, it's the narrow minded stuff we expect from Old Firm fans anyway. It's really quite simple to understand though, one is club football, the other is international football. You are represnted in both spheres by different teams, until such time as Celtic beomes a country I would have thought it would be pretty easy to understand the difference, and how there isn't the slightest conflict there.

It should also be pretty easy to see (contrary to your post), that you are born into your country, but many people simply choose a club to follow. I've yet to meet an international fan that follows another country rather than their own.

Why aren't you called Celtic Dave then? The Scottish bit is clearly not something that has any meaning for you?

Mark Hughes will be out of a job soon, perhaps he can manage them.  :D

I still struggle to see any issues with Team GB, but can't see me converting any one so won't waste my breath. I just hope that the Scottish players are "allowed" to play and there isn't a campaign against them taking part which would be a shame.

I find your last two lines desperately sad. Don't want to hi-jack the thread but that's the sort of thing that gives all old firm fans a bad name. I am a fan of both Rangers and Scotland, I have no problem supporting Celtic players while they are playing for my country and I wish them well when they do. The players who play for both halves of the old firm are the same as any other professional footballer. They are doing their best for the club that pays their wages.

Your argument makes no sense, because there are Celtic players in the Scotland team (I presume, could be wrong as I refuse to watch the Scottish Premier League) and therefore you dislike and wont cheer your beloved Celtic players as they represent their (your) country. You are really missing out on something special, and I dunno how you can call yourself Scottish Dave, it should be Celtic Dave or something similar.

I bet you wouldn't have the same attitude if you were an East Sterling fan, you'd be desperate to watch Internationals.

So if it were Scotland vs England and the Scotland squad was made up of a lot or Rangers players, who are you cheering for? Or at least, who do you want to lose more?

Easy.  Turn the telly off.

As for Daves post about disliking rangers ahem I hate them.  Just the way it is, I could never ever ever bring myself to support one of them.

All I want for Christmas is Hughes gone.
 >:(

 rotflmfao   pwned

No worries, it's the narrow minded stuff we expect from Old Firm fans anyway.

Harsh

Why aren't you called Celtic Dave then?

Very Funny! rotflmfao rotflmfao

I'm an Aberdeen fan and despise Rangers, Celtic and Hearts (not necessarily in that order) but I would much rather see a Scotland team made up entirely of their players win the world cup (lofty ambition i know) than Aberdeen the Champions League or UEFA cup (might aswell aim high).

Personally i can't see how anyone could not support their country and this is why i fail to understand many Old Firm fans. Each to their own i guess and as long as we avoid a team GB we can unite on that.

POTW!

Good to see that you can all agree on something.  :D

Anyway, I wonder which grounds they will use and if they will keep it to London grounds? Obv the Emirates and Stamford Bridge, but when will the new Spurs ground be ready?

but probably in that order. ;)

FYP ;D

Had any of them remained in Europe then maybe ;)

lol, just the type of reaction i expected TBH

To settle a few point:

1/ I don't like rangers players, and won't ever support them, i also don't agree with Celtic players going to play for Scotland, as they are deciding off their own backs to go and join up with Rangers players to play for a country, If i were a pro player, i wouldn't choose to go play for another team that had a rangers player in it, this also brings into the equaltion joining another club team that has an ex ranger playing for them, thats a debate for another night.

2/ Old firm fans are not all narrow minded, they get absorbed in the rivalry, which is both healthy and welcomed in the game (provided it stay in the game, and on the pitch)

3/ The Burning question (Scotland with rangers players or England????) ---- i wouldn't want either to win to be honest, id probably go for a walk lol, throw into the mix rangers players in the england team, and we have a real dilema. To settle the question, id turn off the telly as i hate international football, since my team don't compete at international level.

4/ Forget what people tell you about being born into a country, and choosing a club to support! thats bollox, you are born into a club (or at least some of us are blessed to have been) Celtic is not a club to choose to support, your born to support.

5/ The username Scottish Dave - Only the older members of Blonde will know this (or at least the first 402 members, since i was the 403rd) but my original name on here was just Dave, however back then this place was El Blondie's place of refuge, the fact there were 2 Dave's confused things dramatically during conversations, therefore i decided to change it to Scottish dave, so people knew which one was which, and where i was from the live poker reason's at the time.

If you'd like ill start a Poll of suggestions of what to change it to (Idiot/toss-pot/bigot, have already been used!) thats fine.


These above points are purely my views only and should not be confused with the views of all old firm fans (Id hate to be though of in the same group as rangers fans anyway! Yuck lol)

Does this shed any light on any of the points raised by posters in this thread?

Regards
Celtic(Born into) Dave

Yes apart from which grounds we will use?  :D

Dave, while I admire your sentiment, and agree that you should be born into a team just as you are born into a specific country, and while you might be an East end of Glasgow boy yourself, I think even you will admit that your team is followed by "fans" from all over the country with no such link to Celtic (or Rangers), many never even having stepped foot inside Strathclyde, never mind Glasgow or Parkhead. They are "born into" supporting Aberdeen, or ICT, or St Johnstone, but instead choose - yes choose Dave - to support one of the ugly sisters.

That to me makes International fooball the purest form, it is still played as the way it was intended, your "tribe" representing you. We are all Scots (or whatever nationality), and no-one ever glory hunts a "better" team. Your team IS what you are born with. It is everything you stand for, just that club footbal doesn't actually meet your criteria, it does for you, but unlike International football it doesn't for everyone.

Fascinating stuff.

It would be easy to rip the piss out of you for all of the above (And I shall in a minute) but it does bring up some interesting Club vs Country debates. I agree, you are born into your club the most of the time, I support Sheffield Wednesday because my sodding uncles pretty much beat it into me (all my mates at school were blades) but I've always been a tad more passionate about the National side than I was the Owls....until I actually went to Cardiff and watched them win the playoff final a few years ago. That said, I think England winning the world cup would still be the pinnacle of being a football fan for me, if it ever happens in my lifetime.

Maybe its because I support a shit club side and a big national side that sways me this way, whereas you support a big club side and a shit national side, thus swaying you the other way?

What if a Rangers player joined Celtic? What is your attitude towards them then?
Would you piss on a Rangers fan if they were on fire?
What if you needed a blood transplant, and the only donor was a Rangers fan?
Do you like the show Walker, Texas Ranger?

FWIW, I think one of the greatest things about football is when rival sets of fans put their differences aside to support the national side. I love watching the England games with my Blade mates, even though they once chased me out of a pub during a derby, and love cheering on players  I will happily berate for 40 odd weeks a year when they are playing in the Premiership.

Wowsers, the all conquering English side of the last 40 years eh!



Imagine how big the badwagon would be,  ''I've waited all my life to see England win this, much better than when my club wins anythzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz''

P.S.  This is a general observation, not aimed at your post! ;)

Norwich will always be the most important thing for me in football, I would take Norwich winning anything over England winning the world cup. I have invested an awful lot time and money into supporting Norwich, i can't say that of England.

I don't buy the arguement that cos Norwich are crap that supporting England cos they might win something is a reason to support the national side more. In fact it is the other way round when Norwich were promoted a few years back it was something special to me and the other 1000 or so people who spent every Saturday travelling round the country to watch generally awful peformances. I don't get that with England.

Now your getting into the debate about different Rungs of fans ie, there are Hardcore sets of fans, then there are softer core fans, and it all depends on the history of your level or support, how many generations have followed them, how much of Celtic is in your blood lines etc etc etc, You can still get a Celtic fan from aberdeen being a harder core fan than someone from Parkhead, depending of their family history.

But how can she be good looking if she was a Rangers fan?

Born and raised or brainwashed ?

Are you calling my Girlfriend ugly, cos she is a Rangers fan!

Well after being part of the celtic family, and realising what they stand for and represent, if i could go back and Choose a team, id still choose everything the same....... That can't really be brainwashed then can it, as Brainwashing someone is drumming it into them until they comply, whereas i have just been shown something wonderful with my own eyes, and im grateful for the team ive been blessed into being part of.

Born and raised or brainwashed ? - You decide

After all that claptrap about Rangers fans, you go out with one?

Doesnt really help your argument much does it?

Fair play.

becasue the argument was coherent and credible before then?   ;carlocitrone;

I love her, doesn't mean to say i Like her lol

I think you'll find it actually does help my arguement, as i previously posted that rivalry was good and healthy provided it stayed in the game and on the pitch.

Lets keep it civil and no name calling pls, tyvm

Damn you Tighty! You got in there before me with the warning you rotter cheeky chappie villainous bounder erm...bloke!

If he actually was offended (Which Im sure he wasnt) then of course I apologise

If I wanted to hurt him I'd call him a Rangers fan obv

lol comedy

[ ] no over reaction here!

It's my Scottish Dave mod meter, it was quivering and flashing so brightly I knew I had to get here.

No worries mate, i just didn't like the personal flaming towards me, there is no hard feelings, thats why i posted to you first informing you i was reporting it.

And your spot on with how to really offend me  :redcard:

Doesn't it say "Fergus is a Tit!" under your avatar? (Which may well be true, but still...)

lol, yes but is this the first time the meter was flashing a different colour, as this time it was against me lol

I knew what was coming. It is you after all


Lets all keep it nice and friendly, season of peace and goodwill. Even to the other side of the Old Firm. Especially if you share a bed with them

ty.

well spotted, but the rules say we ain't allowed to openly flame other members in public or via PM.

He ain't a member

Mods! Look what Scottish Dave has just written about me, quoted for ban.

Just kidding, merry xmas, up the Gers Bhoys

Do you really think id share a bed with a rangers fan?

She's on the couch!



PS with regards keeping it civil and season of good will, did no one see my post on the Rebecca Adlington thread! - clearly someone hacked into my account!

Pedantry aside, please change it. ty again

This might be the funniest thing ive read on here, Well Played sir, Well Played x

I knew I would be potentially flaming our friends North of the Border on this subject, but not to argue amongst themselves! 
I promise to drop the subject for the rest of this year.
 ;D

Just don't sing the hokey cokey cos that will really upset us celtic fans

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/12/22/singing-the-hokey-cokey-could-land-football-fans-in-sectarian-bother-86908-20989183/

what a joke imo.

I LOL'd when I read this one. Surely this is some sort of twisted ploy to have the Rangers fans singing a children's party song this coming Saturday.

[  ] No way any Rangers fans will fall for it and sing it
[  ] No way any Celtic fans will fall for it and be offended
[x ] Daily Record hope to fill a few pages with this until transfer window opens and stir up another hornet's nest over nothing 

And those (the majority of glory hunters) who have no family history whatsoever, or ties with GLasgow? How can you say in any way that they are "born into" the club? They may be born with an inferiority vcomplex that sees them basking in reflected glory, but there's nothing other than that to it.

From the BBC "A Great Britain football team will play at the 2012 Olympics even if it is made up entirely of English players, sports minister Gerry Sutcliffe has insisted."

Get in!

 ;yippee; ;yippee; ;yippee;

[  ] Labour ministers will have a say in anything happening in 2012.

  [X]   Can't think the tories will have a different stance.

Only just read this thread

Would like to offer hearty congratularions to Scottish Dave and Shoelace Dave. Both legends imo  rotflmfao rotflmfao

I don't think it's even a political decision at all - it's between the IOC and the football associations.

With Fifa, the Scottish, Welsh & Northern Irish FA's all against it I've a funny feeling this may yet not happen. And FIFA is pretty strong on banning any country whose government interferes in football.

Rod, I don't want to claim you are wrong, but can you quote where you have a comment regarding FIFA being against it. My understanding is that they have no problem with it. Would be interested to know.

The LIb Dems (don't count much) but think there is still a possibilty of a unified team but that firmer assurances are needed from FIFA to allay concerns of individual nations. Although to be honest i think this is a waste of time as the individual nations would not believe anything verbally, written or in blood!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/01/fifa-sepp-blatter-england-scotland-ireland-wales-fa-home-nations (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/01/fifa-sepp-blatter-england-scotland-ireland-wales-fa-home-nations)

I'd imagine large parts of FIFA would be for it - as there's lots of places who want to do away with the special status of the Home Nations.

FIFA's stance against Government interference in football is pretty much common knowledge, any sign of it & countires and clubs are banned.

YEs get in indeed, bye bye International football then if it does happen.  ;frustrated;


Blatter says no.....http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/sport-news/sportfeed/2009/03/01/scotland-could-lose-its-footballing-independence-if-they-agree-to-join-gb-olympic-team-says-fifa-78057-21162785/

:redcard:

Interesting, although I was really after a statement from Sebb Blatter of FIFA rather than a report of a conversation at a function. As none of the others want to take part, looks like it is Team GB (England)  ;)

England = Team GB

Edit: A wise man once said [ ] Olympic football is real football

Means I can get more use out of my A.B.E. tshirt I suppose.....

It's a shame that a lot of the people involved in Scotland/Wales Northern Ireland don't care about their players and are still banding the complete tosh that is "if we have a team GB then Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland will no longer have a team" that the fans have fallen for, but such is life.
Roll on 2012.  ;)

Don't you mean - that Blatter has warned them about? If you're going to stick your head in the sand, don't criticise those who live in the real world.

What other possible reason would the other home nations have for not getting involved?

Mainly down to anti English feelings to be honest, although a few politicians have made a few votes out of it by persuading people what a bad idea it was. Again a shame for any young Scottish/Welsh/NI players as this may be there only chance of playing in a major tournament.
I was thinking today why do some people support the British Lions, but are against a Team GB?  :dontask:

Think you missed out the IMO in your first point.

Possibly the answer to your question is that the British Lions aren't the British Lions, but in fact are the British and Irish Lions & as such don't jeopardise the future status of the individual home nations.

OMG Indy, this has NOTHING to do with politicians, why do you think it has? Coe is certainly trying to curry support for the Olympics by including football, and that is the ONLY rreason he wants football in the games, in direct contrast ot the home nation FAs (england excepted) who are aware of FIFA's stance on the matter.

That is why fans as well as the national associations are against it, there is abigger picture, than having a team play in  nothing tournament at under age level.

Surely your last line is self explanatory? In rugby not only has historically there been a GB (& Ire) team, but there are less than a couple of dozen rugby paying nations wordlwide, there is no-one clamouring for the foure home nations to unify for all games like there is for football.

Why are supporters of team GB, so willing to put our national identies at risk, for a non-event?

But having the Lions doesn't prevent having national teams in Rugby so why not in football?

Just been looking up the history of the Lions which started over a century ago. Maybe in another century we will look back and say what was the fuss about Team GB.

Know I am flogging a dead horse, just feel it is a shame we can't work together to overcome obstacles.  :(

Sorry typed before Fatshafts reply.

there are 10 nations playing rugby at a reasonable level in the world (if you include argentina and italy) if you grouped the home nations together then there would be no point so there is no danger of the home nations losing there teams

there are way too many footballing nations in europe never mind the world meaning that quailfing for major events is too long so fifa and uefa want to lose a few nations by combining teams like GB by putting a team into the 2012 this would give them ammo

Just written to FIFA to ask the official line.  :D

where are you getting this info from? who are the other 'teams like GB' that they  want to combine?

Reply from Uefa.

As the matter is closed, please understand that we cannot make comments. The Executive welcomed the agreement between the four British football associations that Great Britain would be represented by teams consisting exclusively of English players at the 2012 Men's and Women's Olympic Football Tournaments.

Thanks for nothing  ::)