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So I notice when I get back from Luton early yesterday morning that the property next door (curently owned by me but not for long) has been broken in to. Glass in the front door broken and the curtains on the top floor of this unoccupied property have been drawn. Hmmmm.

Closer inspection this morning confimred I probably had a squatter.

Several phone calls to the police later they arrive here at 11.30 tonight. Gain entry to the property and find the top floor locked and chained up. I gave permission for them to break the door down and they got into the flat and after a brief scuffle the burglar was arrested. Lots of shouting ensued as he insisted that the landlord 'Mark' had given him permission to live there but I soon put him right. Tempted as I was to help push him down the stairs I was persuaded not to put the boot in so I gave him some verbal as he was dragged to the waiting police car. Job well done boys in blue. 

Unfortunately nearly an hour later we are still waiting for them to leave the area as they put the arrested guy in the back of the car and then found that the patrol car wouldn't start.  :dontask: We can all sleep easy tonight knowing that Britains best are looking after us......

Anyway I have the kettle on, they need to take a statement....happy days at Chez Dingdell....

Ding, fires, robberies, squatters ..... where have you moved to, Beirut  ??

sounds more like luton.....

It was defintiely quieter in Luton when I lived there!

I hope you don't press charges Ding, it can't be very pleasant being homeless in the middle of December.

gtfo if the dude gets locked up he gets 3 squares a day and a playstation.

This is a criminal case not a civil one - it's not up to me in the first instance - the CPS decide whether they want to prosecute.

He's been booked in and the officers have been back to take my statement. The alleged offender is a known heroin addict, currently on methadone as he was released this week from prison so he was given methodone while he was away. He told the police that they had done him a favour as he wanted to go back inside. Great shame that he feels that way and I'm sure that reflects how he has been treated since he left prison but that doesn't excuse what he has done to my property. There are specific shelters in Northampton he could have gone to that have spaces tonight but he chose instead to break into my property.

Imo being homeless is no excuse to damage my property without remorse. Had he been sorry about what he had done I would have more sympathy but he truly doesn't care that I have to spend money repairing damage he has done as well as the (joking aside) worry and stress this has caused me. He threatened me as he was put in the car, and I for one am happy that for the next day or so at least he won't be walking past my door.

Once he is released is it fair that I should be nervous for a while because he has chosen to break into my property and then get abusive when I call in the police to help remove him? He now holds a grudge against me! How does all of this become my fault????? I will be worried about walking from my car to my house (as much as this tough exterior hates to admit it) and its not very pleasant being scared - at Christmas or at any other time.

I wouldn't want to walk in his shoes, but at the moment I'm not liking the fit of mine, to be honest I feel very vunerable and very scared in general, not just from him, and for anyone to criticise me for feeling angry towards him should think on. Come and feel how I'm feeling, frightened to go to bed, very tearful, angry, frustrated and everything all rolled into one. Wader - If you saw your wife or girlfriend feeling like I am now you may have a different opinion.

I'm just glad you're physically ok Chicka.  xx  Can't be a nice feeling and starting to wish you'd sell up and move out of there!

If the police tell the CPS about the threats to you, his bail application is going to be that much harder.

Yup Waders comment was pretty piss poor tbh.

Glad you're ok and hope all works out ok too

I dont get what happend, is he a burgler or a squatter?

As I understand it, he was a smackhead squatter.

Drugs, a menace to society in so many ways.

In case anyone doubted it, & despite taking a humorous slant on it, it has upset Ding a great deal.

I'm sure it has, it's an upsetting thing to happen and i hope she's ok.

If the guys in there taking drugs i dont suppose she wants that.

All i was wondering if he was burgling the place or not, i dont really condone squatting if someone else is being put out by it, by that i mean if it's an unoccupied residence or derelict.

I think Wader may have just been saying if it was a lone bloke not doing drugs and looking for a warm place to kip then as upsetting as it is for the owner It's got to be a pretty crap life the guy that's got to do it.

And FWIW i very much doubt the guy grew up with aspirations of being a Heroine addict having to squat in peoples homes to get out of the cold, I think it's a sad situation for everyone involved.

Nobody HAS to take drugs, he chose to, & now others are footing the bill. And yes, it's sad for everyone involved, both sides. You know my views on drugs.

If the guys in there taking drugs i dont suppose she wants that.

Well, Ding wrote.....

The alleged offender is a known heroin addict, currently on methadone as he was released this week from prison so he was given methodone while he was away. He told the police that they had done him a favour as he wanted to go back inside. Great shame that he feels that way and I'm sure that reflects how he has been treated since he left prison but that doesn't excuse what he has done to my property. There are specific shelters in Northampton he could have gone to that have spaces tonight but he chose instead to break into my property.

This is getting silly just ring 0800 MAN IN UNIFORM.

Seriously glad you ok - running bad at the moment, but 09 will be your year.

Nobody HAS to take drugs

This is'nt entirely true, i think with drugs like Heroine you can die if you just stop and i know thats the case with alcohol, it sounds like i'm arguing for the sake of it and that it's a bit petty and i'm clutching at straws but i just dont think it's as simple as that, once you're addicted you do HAVE to take drugs.

I mean theres an argument to balance that and look at how/why people got started taking hard drugs, well i think a lot of them have probably gone through things in their lives(particularly in their young lives) that are simply so bad we couldnt even imagine, I dont begrudge someone who was abused as a kid wanting to block that out using drugs, ive never been through that so who am i to say that they should get over it the appropriate way, have councilling etc, that's not for me to say.

I think if you were to balance the lives most of us have had with the experiences that some of these guys have HAD to endure, maybe as children or when in positions of vunerability then for me it feels a bit like kicking someone down being so dogmatically judgmental towards drug addicts.

Well said Bolt.

Funnily enough in this instance the guy came from a good family - I know that because his sister lives next door to one of the arresting officers. (small world) Apparently the rest of the family are as law abiding as you can get.

jeez you're having a rough time of it of late Trace - let's hope 2009 is a quieter year for you xxx

What do you class as a good family? 2cars,semi,mum and dad still together?

I'm using the police officers description of the family. He didn't mention any material things that i remember, he just said they were a nice family, the sister had never been in any trouble and they were good next door neighbours that viewed their brother as the black sheep of the family. No mention of what family members there were, just how they fitted into the community.

The sister had asked the PC to see if he could find out if her brother was still alive as they hadnt heard from him for some time, turns out he was inside. 

As an aside the police rang tonight, he goes to court tomorrow morning, he has only been charged with trespass as they can't prove he caused the criminal damage which is true, no one saw him do it so he can't be fairly accused of it. All things being equal he will be having lunch free as a bird tomorrow which is how it should be without proper evidence, as frustrating as that is.

how can he be charged with trespass? that's not a criminal offence is it? thought it was a civil matter

I'm sorry that my post has upset you, it wasn't my intention.
Your 1st post translated to my speak was "Feisty middle class woman comes home to find a homeless person had broken into her (unoccupied) second home and decides to use the full force of the law on this poor bastard because he broke a window to get in.She then proceeds to nearly kick him down the stairs and gives him a right earbashing as the rozzers cart off said miscreant to the local workhouse to break rocks for a week. That'll teach him.
So i was going to post something along the lines of "why don't you get your Gamekeeper to  have him shot" or some other trite remark but alas it was not to be and instead I posted the seemingly far more offensive and vitriol inducing " I hope you don't press charges Ding, it can't be very pleasant being homeless in the middle of December" which is still a fair enough comment considering the version of events I was commenting on.
Your reply to me painted a very different picture of events which were obviously unknown to me when I posted, yet you seem have turned this into a diatribe against me, just for suggesting some leniency on someone who was described as homeless. Not the dirty thieving threatening nasty piece of work you later described.
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But now it's somehow been turned into how dare you, after all I've been through and a " How would you like it if your wife or girlfriend etc"
Well I'll tell you how my wife would like it, she would think it was a pleasant relief from all the shit she puts up with day in day out In a hospital A+E department.
Do you get spat at at least once a week by drunks? are you pushed, punched or kicked almost daily? are you verbally abused, have explicit sexual innuendos shouted at you regularly do you get threatened by people from all walks of life because they are drunk and angry.The ones that shout "I'm going to find out where you live" well one day one of them just might do that. I've just got to hope i'm at home at the same time if they come.How do you think it feels being the husband of someone in that situation, your natural reaction is to want to find out who they are and where they live and pay them a visit but obviously that would be a silly thing to do so you either worry yourself to death, become bitter and antagonistic or try to forget about it.
So I would rather she got frightened by a squatter living in the shed (my equivalent of your 2nd property) once in a while, than having to deal with the twats that try to make her life miserable on a daily basis.

You got a bit of a fright and it's going to cost a couple of hundred to fix, so what, stick it in the whinge thread, life can be shit but someone else's is always worse, get over it you'll make it worse worrying about it etc,
No need to twist it to make me the villain.


The Heroin issue is another argument altogether and I can't be arsed.

Up yours Rookie my posts are never piss poor.

Cheers Bolt (the voice of reason).

The point you was trying to make was piss poor, so I stand by what I said.

You telling Ding to put her stuff on the whinge thread means nothing now as you seem to want to put your life on this thread also.

Bolt is the voice of reason because he agrees with you? You want to not press charges because you feel sorry for him, let him move onto the next house and cost another person £300, they let him off too, he moves on again.

I'm sorry to hear your life is worse than Dingdells.

results orientated imo ;)

glad ur ok trace.

An apology would have been so much better.

Saying sorry then sticking the boot in doesn't count as an apology imo

arguments like this alwas polarize opinions between the "hang em high" brigade (of which I probably am one), and the handwringers whose inability to condemn and criticize these wrongdoers is also unhelpful in trying to solve the problem. The solution, like most things lies somewhere in the middle.

I also wish people would stop making excuses for drug-users. They have already made their choices in life. It costs us, as law abiding taxpayers a fortune to try and exist alongside these people, and pay for their addiction. We are constantly told that jail is too expensive, and yet successve governments have missed the point - given the choice about using our tax pounds to keep these people on the street, or in jail, then the majority of people would favour the latter.

These people offer zero to society.

You do know I play poker at Luton don't you?  :dontask: ;)

And yes I do know how your wife feels as I worked in a similar field for years. However away for the 'protection of bright lights and colleagues' at home and in the middle of the night it always seems more threatening (to me) and when I wrote my reply I was on my own, incredibly scared and intimidated. The adrenalin had worn off and I was shit scared. The property is next door to mine.

Got a call this morning - the police here are very good at keeping in touch (although I do make great coffee in fairness) and he is now expected to receive a custodial sentence today as several other offences he has committed in his week of freedom are being heard. Apparantly methadone is a poor substitute and he wanted to get back onto the hard stuff so he was offending to feed the habit.

All done now, he gets his wish and gets a turkey dinner for Christmas. There is a part of me that was, after the event and when the scaredy cat in me had been replaced by the 'feisty middle aged woman', feeling sorry for him but after the call from the police today I know more about his criminal history and this guy seems a million miles away from rehabilitaion. Had he stayed undetected next door for any length of time there was a good chance he would have been dealing from there quite soon.

As I write this Radio 2 is playing 'Driving home for Christmas'. Sadly quite apt.   

Sorry to hear about this, hope you can settle down and feel more comfortable soon. :)

To quote Bill Hicks "take all your good albums, and burn them".

Many people make the wrong choices but luckily we live in a society that provides avenues to get back into work and off drugs. Obviously helping drug addicts does not have a 100% success rate but what are the alternatives?

"A society is ultimately judged by how it treats its weakest and most vulnerable members". - rings true here. Throwing about comments about drug addicts offering zero to society is incorrect. There are plenty of groups of people that for whatever reason will never be able to contribute to society in terms of tax, working etc. Looking at ways to help them will ultimately save money in the long run and hopefully help them off drugs.

I dislike smackheads as much as others, I have had friends fall into this spiral off desperation because of heroin and I have seen the long path back to recovery for them.

This !

Hey Dingaling - you're stronger than you think - and 2009 is a whole new year! Take care honey.

hey ding just caught this and can i just say WTF you had the chance to boot him down the stairs and injure him which could have resulted in the paramedics to be called out,then you would have hit your set.......sigh i dunno a missed opportunity there hun  ;)     

btw (above statement is toungue in cheek)

but hey lets put all this bad shit from 2008 in the bin and move onward and upward into 2009  FTW

 your post was very piss poor   your wife chooses to work there ding didnt choose to come to her property shes Worked to buy and find a junky squatter  that has no right been there.   hope all is well ding take care