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Button 10k

Small Blind 45k

BB, Me 10k

payouts roughly 150/90/60

blinds 400-800

Button, active player pushes first hand of new level from button. Small blind folds.

Although the button is an active player he has been far tighter than normal on the final as there are points at stake in a league competition, which he is leading.

BB looks at  Ac 9c

call or fold?

Insta call

I would call faster than Bolt did.
But you called and lost?

doesn't matter what happened

interested in the decision, ranges etc

if he has been playing tight then i probably fold here.

still call. say his range should be atc, now its gonna be atpc, which A9s crushes.

I think button pushes far from atc cards left here with 12 BB's.  Borderline, he knows how tight you are generally accepted to be, have you been playing with that image?  The tighter youve been playing, the more this becomes a call surely?

player knows me very well so will be aware there is a move or two when required. I have been pushing atc for several rounds shortish stacked and had to show twice, outdrawing twice when called. Shade fortunate to get down to 3 handed.

How active has the big stack been on his button?

The other short stack gets a free shot at being first in to nick your BB every orbit. You only get a shot at his if the big stack folds his button. The less often the big stack folds his button, the more you should be inclined to call this, as you are at a continual disadvantage against him.

Active, as would be expected.

Then it's a snap for me - if you think you're likely to be anywhere near 50/50 you have to take these chances in this situation.

call cos u have a flush draw

tbh, I dont think the button shoves any 2 here, especially as he knows you and he also knows that as you have a similar stack to him you will be looking to take a shot with any ace ... He is also aware that the big stack will be raising into your big blind if he doesnt, so I would have to put him on a mid pair 0r a decent ace (which would be crushing you) to be shoving here, he doesnt need to take a stab  ... this is of course taking into consideration the added factor of the points at stake.

I think you need to think about how this game is panning out before you look at his range. Tighty says...I have been pushing atc for several rounds, and that the button has been...Active, as would be expected. So this poker game has descended into a bit of a shove monkey fest, and so you should play accordingly. The distance between you two and the leader, along with your small chips, and the low money means calling with the A-9 in the current climate of shoving light (because of those things) is very acceptable imo. Also both cards are of the suit of clubs.

Alternatively you can imagine your oppo's range is tighter than it actually is (why villain's shove is a pretty effective bet), fold, and wait for a better spot. Which needs to come pretty damn quick imo. It is obv you will run into a hand sometimes but there will be two clubs on the flop anyway.

My thinking is that he isnt shoving with filth here, because he knows tighty is going to call with pretty much any ace or paint.

He knows this so elects to shove rather than make a standard raise, which would probably bring the big stack in as well, and he doesnt want that.

High-five the dealer time...

lol @ Kev making posts on pha board, maybe he has an insight here?!  ;whistle;

lol ... when do I ever get 3 handed on a final table ... jeeeeeeeeeeees

Do a little dance round room with your hand in the air constantly screaming "I AM GETTING PAID", and call.

Ace Nine of green is b b b b beaven.

Please stop being such a nit Kev :)

Your theory that the button is pretty strong so shoves to get the big stack to fold has actually hurt my eyes. The button has like 10k of the 65k he needs to win this. If he has a big hand or even a pretty strong hand he will standard raise hoping above hope the big stack plays back at him. He needs the chips in that big stack to win....so how's he gonna get them if he picks up strength?....cos pushing is a crap way to get them. It's not all about Tighty's blind and his 10k.

LOL at me being a nit ...

The shove may be meant to look weak to get action from  A9 ... did you ever think that ?

does he? it's tighty!

its 3 handed, tighty isnt bothered about points ... he knows he needs to take a shot, he also knows he could be well ahead of buttons range here.

oh ffs .... I was button, I had  Td Tc  , I am never making a standard raise there, too many cards that can fuck me over ... I either want to double up or just take the blinds is good enough.  I needed the league points and had been playing tighter than i have ever played on a final table, first hand back after the break i look down at the 10's and shove it. tbh i think it was pretty standard, I was relying on tighty thinking I would be pushing any 2 and making him broaden his calling range, the fact he had A9 was just my good fortune I suppose ... the fact I held was even nicer :)

plz stop nicking my moves

I call here with K high.

Snap him off and laugh in his face.

errrrrr. he is shoving precisely because he will give tighty a decision with a top 20% hand.

just take the blinds is good enough

Are you seriously happy to just take down the blinds here Kev?

Once i have put my chips in, if i take the blinds then cest la vie ... Im sorry but i am never making a standard raise from a 10BB stack with 10 10 in this situation.

I'm still drunk and have only had one hour's sleep, but I agree with Kiv here.

When you shove the chance either of your remaining 2 oppos having a good hand is very slim. The chance they will have a good enough hand to call a 10k bet is very unlikely. So you will often just take the blinds. In this thread opinion is split about a hand a strong as A-9s in a 3-handed game. So this bet wont be called much and when it is called you stand as much chance of being behind as ahead.

Why force the big stack to fold A-rag and small pairs when he could readily come over the top with these hands? You must win his chips at some point. You have like the 5th nuts right now, and 3-handed that IS the nuts, and you don't want the big stack to come out to play? It isn't c'est la vie if you just win the blinds it's because you pushed your whole stack in.

Kev surely you know you must be wrong when Kin agree's!

in my limited experience, ppl dont balance their 3X preflop bets and their 12X shoves that much in MTT's. not sure if you need to, but when you are at the table a long time late on, and/or playing the same opponents a lot, patterns deffo emerge. I prefer shoving 100% of my range here than 3X'ing, any competent opponent is gonna realise they have no FE for you to open/fold anyway.

In principle this theory is pretty good. But the issue I have with it is you are already helping your oppos by giving good answers on their behalf, so you prevent them from making a mistake. There is a decent chance either of them could blunder and raise here with As-xs...but if you push there is no chance of that. Why take the chance of that happening away because you think you know for sure villain 1 and villain 2 will both never play bad.

By pushing, the gamble you take on in preference is that one of those other 2 hands are big enough to call the 10k. And I think that is much less likely, even though I agree your hand will be much better disguised. It doesn't matter that they don't believe you from previous patterns if you push because they still need a hand to call.

so should our strategy depend on our opponents ability?

so should our strategy depend on our opponents ability?

What would you say Alex? I say the strategy depends on the overall situation. We need the chips in here and will get them in if either oppo blunders. Are they more likely to blunder raise or blunder call 10k? In this example it doesn't really matter how good your oppos are because whether they call or not depends chiefly on them picking up a hand.