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Hi, a question that I am currently discussing within Grosvenor is when, in competitions that allow it, should a player be allowed to take a rebuy? I'm not talking about double chance tournaments, just rebuy ones. The current Grosvenor rule is that a player must have half their original starting stack or less. Please vote and discuss the pros and cons of the various options.

Personally, I much prefer the first option Jon.

In truth, the order of your Poll is my order of preference, EXCEPT that I would never play in a "Live" rebuy where you have to lose ALL your chips, Tribeca style, before you can rebuy, because they just play so falsely.

the less than starting stack one is daft imo you find yourself trying to lose the first pot just so you can rebuy.

i think that adds to the spirit and fun of a rebuy tournie. all decent rebuy tournies everyone is ai 1st hand anyway arent they?

The first option.

Option 2 is no good because it just means you enter the first pot so you can rebuy.

Half your stack is no good because you get strange situations where you can rebuy to greater than a starting stack. Eg, start with T5000. In the first pot one player gets knocked down to T2500. He can now rebuy to T7500 whereas other players are still stuck on T5000.

And the last option just cripples you if you get short stacked. It's almost in your interests to bust out so you can rebuy.

Option 1 because it gives me an advantage over any player who doesn't re-buy straight away, gets above his starting stack, and then can't re-buy

1 for me, I believe this increases the prize pool too

+1

1 for me, tho when it goes crazy and everyone is double rebuying and basically you can't play, it can be frustrating (me and karl were on the same table in the 1500 PLO rebuy and watched people go all in blind against each other while we sat passing, occassionally gettng our aces bused, marv).

Only other option or me is the half or less as it is now. No point having to lose one chip, what's the point? The having to bust before rebuying is ridic, saw robert williamson down to onn 25 chip and unable to rebuy and have to shove it in like 6 hands in a row, get back to half starting stack with some ridic double and treble ups, then lose another hand and have to do it all again....

I refer option 1.

my local casino has introduced the rule that you may rebuy into a tournament if there is a space available for the first hour. This means no more real freezeouts, they also aloow late entries for up to an hour so it's just an extension of that but i'm undecided on if i like it or not, i think i do.

Option one for me too, it's by far the fairest imo as there are no "angles" involved.

Under option 1 can you re-buy twice in one go if you lose all of your chips in a hand? 

Yes.

Obviously the tournament should be structured with this in mind.

If this is the rule then you may as well say 'the more money you have the more chance of gaining chips'. Effectively if you're loaded you can go all in every hand with double the chips because you're bound to catch a hand sooner or later.

I prefer option 4. It teaches you how to grind properly. You can still buy in if you lose your chips.
I'm sure that's how Lord Micky of Wernick learnt to play a short stack so well.

Pretty conclusive voting pattern.

me too

I thought that was the point of re-buys, to get all of their money into the prize pool.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind people topping up the prize pool but constant raisers spoil games especially when they raise with junk a catch a hand.

Its all about the money

Is it not possible to let players buy a double stack at the start? Save everyone calling for chips straight away

Option 1 FTW!

Possibly, but I doubt it, somehow. I think his Short-Stack play is based on plain common-sense & good old patience, & positional awareness. Plus, a healthy disdain for the old wives tale that you are somehow obliged to push with any two once down to 10 x BB's. ;)

But that's another story, & I don't really want to hijack this excellent thread.

be a rebel, hijack the thread!

+1

I'm sure Dewi wont mind. :)

lol you on the windup?

Must be, wp sir, nearly got me to bite.

P.S. The best short stacked players are the ones who are not short stacked for long, the bad ones are the ones that are always short.

agree with flushy

ur right, 10bb has no FE and only muppets would let themselves get so low, 15bb is better for open shoving, 20-25 for 3b shoving and 30< for open/folding.

true if they go from short stacked to average all the time.  Not true if they go from short stacked to broke all the time.

P.S my vote is for the order as presented - please bring back rebuys!

Ya obv, but if you go from short stacked to shot stacked then you are not playing a short stack well.