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Tournament: Live £300 MTT @ DTD.  151 runners.  45-minute clock, 10,000 starting stack.

Level: Third level, blinds 75/150

The tournament's been running for about 2 hours, and my image is fairly tight.  I know a few players at the table, and the table's fairly chatty - and there's much mirth about me being an uber-tight nit.  This have given me the opportunity to play a few hands 'differently', especially at the early levels with the blinds as small as they are.

For the purpose of this hand everyone has around the 10K starting stack, except for the player to the right of me who has won a large pot from the player to my left leaving them with 13K and 7K respectively.  I have about 12K and am UTG.

I look down at the monster that is   3d 3h.  I raise, and make it 500 to go.  Again, some comments around the table that I must have soooted aces to be playing from UTG.

UTG+1 is an older fella, a regular at DTD who I have played with a fair bit.  He loves to gamble and will commit without a great deal.  He plays tournaments the same way. 

He calls (and I'm not surprised).

It's folded all the way round the table to the BB.  He's a young internet player.  He wins a lot online, I know this because he's told me so, repeatedly. 

He calls.

Flop comes down:

  Kh 9c 3c

The BB checks.

I've flopped my set, and I'm happy to see the king there as well, hoping that someone is playing AK or KQ or similar.  Two clubs on the board, and vague straight draws, but pretty much an ideal flop for me.

I bet 1,200.

UTG+1 raises to 3,000. 
BB calls.

What do I do now?

I put one of them on the flush draw and the other on at least a pair.  The older gent now has about 3.5K back, and looks likes he's happy to commit with his hand.  The BB knows this and flat calls.

What should I be thinking now, and how would you play it (or how would you have played it differently up to now)?

Slightly smaller raise pre. 3xBB is fine when there's no antes.

Call, check to the shorty on the turn and jam after the BB flats the all-in.

huge dwell and shove

+1

take the shorty's chips if you think he's committed to it, he'll call the shove

I make it 400-450 pre, but 500 is ok.

Seems like a standard jam to me. Your pretty sure the UTG+1 (older guy) is getting it in as he only has 3.5k back.

There is just under 9k in the pot when its back around to you.

If you flat your leaving yourself with 8.5k, but theres about 10.5k in the pot

I jam, get it in vs older UTG guy for his 7k total + the 3k uv got from BB(internet kid) after his flat call on flop. So thats around a 17k pot which would take you to around 22k, unless the BB gets it in too....

..he could have something like 99 that beats you, but uve got a set and he may also get it in with you with some sort of FD and you have a shot at a 30k+ stack with a set at 75/150.

pass, he has 9 99999999999999999999999999999999999 9 9 9 99999 99 99             9 9 9 9 9 99             999 9

LOL - no other sets here, but if one of them did have 99 I would have paid them to the max.

just get it in here. Not even much need for a hollywood

I called.  My thinking here was to see the turn and then try to get the rest of the old fella's chips - and hopefully most of the young lad's as well.  

I knew (or thought) I was ahead on the flop, but thought that a re-raise shove would scare the others away and limit what I could make from the hand.  Any non club turn here and I'm checking (or calling a BB bet) and waiting for the old fella to shove the rest of his chips in.

Unfortunately, the turn was 5c.  The BB checked, I checked and the old fella bet and the BB re-raised it all-in.  

I decided I was behind.

I folded, and the old fella called.

Young lad -  Tc 7c
Old fella -  Ks 9d

I asked the young lad if he would have called if I shoved on the flop, and he said he would have if the old fella had also called (which he would have).

EvilPie was on the table and another lad who I know at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) - they both insisted that I should have shoved on the flop.  I preferred the way I played it as I thought it was the best way of getting the chips off the old fella. The club on the turn ruined my plan though.  Did I mangle it or was my line OK?

*makes note on Kinboshi - 'can be pushed off a set by a turn scare card'*

it may turn out the same way, if 107 clubs calls your shove on the flop, but by shoving flop and getting it in v shortstack which is your hope then you play risk/reward differently by giving the draw a chance to fold and still taking a big pot v K9

as said, I would have shoved flop.

wow, try to kerb ur emotions and not let ur hardon bang the table, obv tell that kev gives away a lot. And 100% minor dwell and shove. Insta high 5 the dealer once older gentleman tables QJcc and buy the whole table drinks to increase run good mojo. After that, just fade and go to the bar.

p.s preflop raise is a lil 2 chunky imo.

You absolutely spooned the hand.

I cant see how this is anything but a shove on the flop.. giving up alot of value playing it any other way I think

If you're going to pass the flop is the time to do it.

Calling the 1800 then passing because a club comes down is playing a bit too scared for me.

Definitely should've shoved the flop though. I know it would've turned out bad but that's the way it goes sometimes.

You played it the riskier way to try and get the max return, nothing wrong with that I dont think.

If 75% of the cards fall on the turn (any non-club) you get a big pay day.  As it turns out K9 is getting it anyway, so there wasnt the need to play not get it in on the flop, of course we dont know that.

Only way to get max return, is to shove .. player with FD is only putting more chips in if he actually hits his flush..  UTG+1 is commited so his chips should be going in regardless..... shoving gives you the chance to get the all the chips in as strong fav and potentially near triple up

Trying to work out lines to get chips from 2 opponents in the same hand sounds a very complicated business.
Your line would be easier to justify heads up I think.

Personally I shove the flop.

If it had been a smaller tourney would you have played it differently?

Because the pot is bigger than your remaining stack I don't see the need to get fancy and smooth call this heavy action. Your theory that calling will put you in a better position to get all the chips is very debateable. You are the pre-flop UTG raiser from a much talked about super-nit image, you bet the flop, and you don't go away after raise-call from the players behind! This strategy will just serve to make you look massive imo....so it'll be pretty hard to generate any action from here, action that couldn't have been generated on the flop anyway. At least if you push the flop your oppos can put you on clubs and call you with worse. How can that worse hand think he's ahead when you smooth call all that action? Also if you are up against a fd you are more likely to generate action on the flop than on a blank turn.

It's very easy for that guy to say he would call on the flop with his poxy 10 high fd if the chips went in....and the club has come. Bet his hand would have looked different at the time. If you put him on a fd and the pot is bigger than your stack then why call and try and get him on a blank turn? Deffo push for me.

Looking at the hands that called your preflop raise I don't have a problem with the size of it. Any less and most of the table would have come along for the ride

and the problem with that would be? You have pocket threes..no set, no bet and all that. I like to see as many people as possible in the hand If I hit my set.

Oh and shove the flop Kin, you got too clever by half on this one.

It easy to answer it that way now we know there cards!!!  Flatting it gets us money off hands which arent as good as those that have shown up, AK for example...

What turn card would convince A-K to put all his money in, money he wouldn't have put in on the flop anyway? A club on the turn only serves to kill your A-K action....and if he's happy shipping a blank turn he's happy shipping the flop. The stacks are much too shallow to be getting cute imo.

The guy who raises to 3k, I would put on AK a lot of the time, he's shipping it in on any turn card.  Agree that when the other tags along we should probably get it in.