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Earlier whilst playing a heads up game my opponent got disconnected - I decided to sit out until he was reconnected.  A few minutes later I was the one disconnected and I couldn’t get back in for a while - when I finally did it was obvious he had been stealing my blinds as he was raising all my bb’s.  I was incredibly small stacked at this stage as the blinds were 100/200.  I posted this on another forum and I was surprised at how other players thought I should have done what my opponent had done and steal his blinds.  Agree or disagree?  It seems dishonest to me - I went on to win by the way… :)

It isnt my fault if my opponent chooses to have his dial-up modem provided by outer mongolia's equivalent of BT just because it means he saves £1.20 a week. If they disconnect and the software doesnt allow extra time for reconnection (on pokerstars it does if you are in the money) then i will take his/her blind if offered.

The main reason i switched to broadband from dial-up was to play online poker without the continual disconnections and apart from the occasional time when i wander too far away from my wireless connection box i've never had a problem.

Its just like being in a B&M casino and playing - if the big blind was away from the table for whatever reason (toilet break, smoke break) and everyone folded round to you in the small blind you wouldnt pass on purpose just to give the BB his/her money back so why should you do it online?

Unless I knew the opponent I must admit I would steal his blinds. Just the way it is on 't net

i have always sat out and let my oppo reconect but have many times had people steal my blinds when disconected

disconnects are not just a dial up problem but its alot less of a problem,

i once when playing on a pokerzone tv table waited for my oppo to come back

just after he came back and i won they started showing the game on tv

only for the axxeman to cut to a break when he realised what was happening

2 hands before the oppo came back and i demolished him fair and square

Not just on 't net but in all of poker....... take the example in the recent WSOP event when they were down to heads up and one of the two players dropped the "f-bomb". Got an automatic 10 minute sin-bin and his opponent didnt just pass every hand when he was in the small blind to keep it fair.

(ok so he still went on to lose when the sin-binned player returned!! :D)

Players disconnecting is just part and parcel of internet poker - if you feel guilty about it then find an online site that allows extra time to reconnect when you are playing heads up.

I remember RED-DOG heads up in a good priced final on Laddies, his oppo got disconnected so RED slow played and passed the small blind whilst waiting. Impressed.

I'm a 'Do as you would be done by' sort of person

So what if it were in a live tourney and your opponent was away from the table when it was his big blind and everyone passes to you in the small blind - would you pass and give the big blind his money back or would you call and take it for yourself?

I was in an STT on Will Hills last week and sitting with 3 players left, I had 7k against 2k and 1k.  I got disconnected, and it took about 10mins to reconnect.  It's very rare, but it happened 3 times that night.  Probably only 5 times in nearly 3 months though.

When I got back, the game had finished and I was 2nd.  I still don't know if they noticed or not, I'm sure they must have, as it changes your status to Sitting Out.  I considered myself lucky not to have finished 3rd.

Very very very honest of you just to sit it out and wait. The vast majority of players including myself would have the opinion of fair game (unless they knew the person). Playing a game whose very nature is one of deception, this is not suprising.

But surely disconnection is beyond your control whereas if you leave the table when playing live you've made that decision?

as the bb cards would be mucked at the end of the dealing you would have no option and the dealer will just pass you the chips

it sucks that you waited and he didnt - did you tell him you waited?  I would have been well miffed, but I dont know if I would have sitted out in the first place as its never happened to me yet.

I had an occasion last week when in a £15 stt sat for the Crypto 35k , we were down to three, I was Cl with around 6.5k 2nd had 2k and third had 1.5k, the 2nd chip leader got disconnected and as there is a £30 for second the 3rd suggested we stole the blinds form the disconnect, I carried on playing and did not answer the question and in the meantime I knocked him out, however the sit out was still losing his blinds and was down to 1 big blind by the time we were HU, I carried on knowing that he would get his £30, but the abuse I got from the other bloke was unbelievable.

to get disconnected maybe beyond your control (apart from the odd time when someone forgets to put 50p in the meter) but most sites have set rules and guidelines for disconnections (some allow extra time to return etc etc) but it is the same for everybody. If you do not like their policies on how disconnected players are dealt with then you simply dont play there. Once a player has timed out and is sitting out then he/she is not at the table just as in a live game.

maybe online sites should start doing the same thing then it would end all the debate, then no-one would feel guilty and dishonest!!

If you feel guilty and dishonest, don't do it. If you don't feel guilty and dishonest thats fine too, as you say, it's within the rules

If it was within the law to bite someones nose off and sell it for £10 would you do it?

Probably not, and the reason you wouldn't is because as humans we feel empathy, we can imagine what it would feel like if it happend to us

Stealing someones blinds doesn't compare with biting someones nose off, but the principle is the same

I'm not judging here, I can see your point of view, I'm just stating mine

Guilt and dishonesty were your words

If my previous post looks like I'm attacking Matt that is certainly not the case, it's a tricky subject and we all have different views

No offence Matt, I respect you and your opinions

 :respect:

Why is it that I can never find fault with RED-DOGs insightful posts. The world would be a better place if everyone where more like him. Except there would be no women and all the men would look like Magnum :(

Silo he knew i was sitting out on purpose - git him...  Oh well i live and learn.  Thanks for the replies.  Red-dog im like you (although i dont look like magnum)  :D :D  I think i would still do the same thing again, he got what he deserved by losing - karma...

This is not the same but me and Tikay had a rather interesting discussion over breakfast in vegas with womble,burnley john and jenn (if memory serves me right). Any of you remember the guy who got a penealty when heads up for a bracelet and his opponent sat stealing blinds? Same thing for me and I said if I was sat at the table on my own I would wait for my opponent to return. I wouldn't want to win by default and I stand by that sentiment for disconnects as well. The argument was quite interesting because a couple were with me and a couple totally against me saying how it could cost me 100s of thousands of dollars and a bracelet but the principle is what matters. I agree totally with reds sentiment of do unto others. You cant beat good karma (as was proved to me on saturday in the aussie qualifier- thanks zelda).

None taken squire - if we all had the same opinion about everything then it would make the topics of debate quite boring!! :)

I like the system they have on pokerstars once you reach the bubble of the tournament any player who disconnects is given an EXTRA 240 seconds to reconnect - this gives the player approx 5 minutes to get back to the table before their hand is mucked. If they are still disconnected once the next hand is dealt they are given an extra 120 seconds (just under 3 minutes total) to reconnect, the next hand 60 seconds (just under 2 minutes) then on the 4th hand onwards 30 seconds (about 1&1/2 minutes) - this means they have 10 minutes to reconnect and they will only miss 3 hands before being put on the minimum disconnection allowance - i believe this is more than enough time to be given to reconnect.

I feel it is my responsibility to ensure that i am connected to the site at all times - if it looks as though there may be a problem with either my NTL phone line or my AOL broadband then i will not sign up for a tournament. If for some reason i do happen do disconnect then i know i am being given more than enough time to try and establish my connection back with the site when we are getting to the serious end of a tournament (and thankfully touch wood i have never lost too much on the rare occassion that i have lost my connection).

If i were to disconnect during a final table i would not expect my opponents to sit out and wait for me to return - it is not their fault that my connection has gone and whilst it also may not be my fault it is my responsibility and i have to suffer the consequences. it is part and parcel of online poker - i just have to live with that. I believe it to be the same if my opponents lost their connection, it is their responsibility and they have to live with it.

If however i did disconnect from a tournament and it was apparent that my opponent had sat out while i reconnected and then they were to disconnect then i would do likewise until they returned.

I have had this happen a few times to me, most notably in a sat for Monte Carlo when (so i was told afterwards) there was a free for all trying to pinch my blinds.
If it were me, yes i'd nick the blinds, do unto others as they do unto you is my new motto.

I dont play too many tourneys and rarely reach any money, but I did hit one once and it was 3 way action I tool as long as possible over my decisions to allow one of the opponents to re connect.

However when he did reconnect he proceeded to wipe the floor with me.

Karma my arse. HEHHEHEHEHE.

I did know my opponent but would like to think that it wouldnt matter who it was i would wait.

Yogi

then that just sucks

I think poker sites should not announce to the table that a player has been disconnected during a tournament. I know Pokerstars clearly state when a player has lost connection, not sure what other sites do. This is one of the few things I would change on Stars software which is very good in most respects.

Saying it on the players graphic announces to the table that blinds are up for grabs. Perhaps a 30 second delay before mucking the disconnected players cards on the first hand only then quickly mucking them thereafter. (A delay on every hand like 10 seconds would lead to tricky players waiting 10 seconds before folding their hands in order to feign disconnection. That would slow up the game)

Ok, so if you are playing Matt, nick his chips, if it's red-dog or zelda on the other side of the table, wait patiently.
Sorted  8)

Actually, this has happened one or twice to me. I've usually, er, used the chat box by then and that has influenced my decision. The first time the guy was a miserable sod, so I nicked his blinds, the next time the bloke was chatty and funny and quite grateful when he logged back in to find I'd managed to stay on the side of the angels. He also said he didn't know whether he would do the same for me if the situation was reversed, which I thought was at least admirably honest if he wasn't joking.

Why not - they usually get stolen even when i'm sat at the table "connected"  :D