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Title: Ruling please
Post by: TightEnd on December 30, 2008, 09:10:02 PM
For a mystery blonde (why do I always get the phone call?)

A raise pre flop, called and our hero in the BB calls with  Qs Ts


FLOP  4c 8s Ts

Pre-flop raiser bets out 1,000


What does our hero in the BB with  Ts flopped and in his hand do?

What should a TD do?


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: doubleup on December 30, 2008, 09:12:30 PM

hand void chips returned


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Graham C on December 30, 2008, 09:12:39 PM
Tell the dealer, new deck, chips back and replay the hand.  Surely nothing else can happen?

or can it....


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: DaveShoelace on December 30, 2008, 09:13:34 PM
Hero should shove all in probably, not only does he have a pair, a flush draw and a backdoor straight draw, he also has a much better chance at getting quads with three more tens out there and only two needed.


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: kinboshi on December 30, 2008, 09:14:15 PM
Tell the dealer, new deck, chips back and replay the hand.  Surely nothing else can happen?

or can it....

this.


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: TightEnd on December 30, 2008, 09:14:35 PM


or can it....


it did

Our hero suggests voiding the hand when the raiser says

"No, I've got pocket kings, I want to play the hand out"

they played it out !!! and our hero spiked a ten (trip tens?) on the river to bust the Kings

I think, I lost the will to live before the end of the phone call


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: DaveShoelace on December 30, 2008, 09:15:05 PM
Go to DTD instead of the Gala?


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Graham C on December 30, 2008, 09:17:45 PM
Raiser is a numpty, how can the hand continue?   Hero should have should have pressed for the right decision, but nice scoop

Glad KK lost tbh


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: DaveShoelace on December 30, 2008, 09:19:55 PM
Raiser is a numpty, how can the hand continue?   Hero should have should have pressed for the right decision, but nice scoop

Glad KK lost tbh

Actually hero should have stuck with the decision if the villain wanted to see his kings play out, he was the favourite to win the hand, especially with the extra ten possibly out there. KK is a proper numpty as you say.


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: doubleup on December 30, 2008, 09:23:11 PM
Hero should shove all in probably, not only does he have a pair, a flush draw and a backdoor straight draw, he also has a much better chance at getting quads with three more tens out there and only two needed.

he wasnt favorite villain had  Ks Ks


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Graham C on December 30, 2008, 09:24:06 PM
Hero should shove all in probably, not only does he have a pair, a flush draw and a backdoor straight draw, he also has a much better chance at getting quads with three more tens out there and only two needed.

he wasnt favorite villain had  Ks Ks

 rotflmfao ;applause;


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: kinboshi on December 30, 2008, 09:25:38 PM
Hero should shove all in probably, not only does he have a pair, a flush draw and a backdoor straight draw, he also has a much better chance at getting quads with three more tens out there and only two needed.

he wasnt favorite villain had  Ks Ks

 rotflmfao ;applause;

+1


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Ironside on December 30, 2008, 11:22:33 PM
ruling was hand played out with just chips in middle

i spiked the river and gave everyone there chips back

then the other tables deck was found to have only 49 cards

whole comp was restarted dispite players having been knocked out and some of us sitting with 2x average stack


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Bigfella on December 30, 2008, 11:26:49 PM
I assume with that ruling you were TD Iron??


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Cf on December 31, 2008, 01:13:31 AM
Void hand, return all bets, new deck.

To play this hand out is simply unfair. The two of you in the pot can't simply decide "shall we run it or not?" - the rules are clear here.

Perhaps more importantly, why are the decks wrong? Were they not spread on the table visible to all players before play commenced?


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: pokerfan on December 31, 2008, 01:24:05 AM
dealer should count remaining cards while hand in progress every other hand/opptnT FACT


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Ironside on December 31, 2008, 02:31:43 AM
I assume with that ruling you were TD Iron??

no i wasnt or i would of voided the hand and restarted from where it was


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Geo the Sarge on December 31, 2008, 09:41:31 AM
Hero should shove all in probably, not only does he have a pair, a flush draw and a backdoor straight draw, he also has a much better chance at getting quads with three more tens out there and only two needed.

he wasnt favorite villain had  Ks Ks

 rotflmfao ;applause;

+1

+2................well played Sir.

Geo


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 31, 2008, 11:15:31 AM
 Ts should be wild from this hand onwards imo.


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: gatso on December 31, 2008, 04:09:14 PM
this really is the simplest ruling ever. any td who rules anything other than a foul deck should be looking for another job


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Ironside on December 31, 2008, 06:18:37 PM
this really is the simplest ruling ever. any td who rules anything other than a foul deck should be looking for another job

good job he has one as manager of the pub


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: spence on December 31, 2008, 07:24:24 PM

whole comp was restarted dispite players having been knocked out and some of us sitting with 2x average stack

Ugh.  It gets worse.  Was it a real tourney or a publicity stunt for a book entitled "how to do everything wrong when running a poker tournament"?

I assume you're deliberately not outing the name of the establishment? :-(  (not enquiring for point/laugh but simply to know which places shoudl be avoided)


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: Ironside on January 01, 2009, 02:55:40 AM

whole comp was restarted dispite players having been knocked out and some of us sitting with 2x average stack

Ugh.  It gets worse.  Was it a real tourney or a publicity stunt for a book entitled "how to do everything wrong when running a poker tournament"?

I assume you're deliberately not outing the name of the establishment? :-(  (not enquiring for point/laugh but simply to know which places shoudl be avoided)

it was just a pub league game

they had a later than normal liecence so thought bugger it we have extra time


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: matt674 on January 01, 2009, 12:25:56 PM
Give the pot to the short stack even if he wasnt involved in the hand then whole table drags dealer out into carpark for a good kicking for not spotting the dirty deck to start with :)


Title: Re: Ruling please
Post by: tikay on January 02, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
Blame Dewi - he was the TD.