Title: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: smithy69 on November 24, 2005, 04:00:01 PM After 8 months of my partner being stalked (upto 40 calls a day) and various letters to us by her crazy ex boyfriend I finally spoke to him in person and stated that if it didnt stop now he was gonna be in trouble with the police.We had already reported him once , but no more than that
He ran upto me in a nightclub in Bury St Edmunds after this conversation and tried to punch me. I reacted stupidly by giving him a Glasgow kiss.I did it slighttly to hard and caused him some damage. I have never been in trouble before. The stalking has stopped but i received a letter today from him saying he reported me to the police, and that i shud expect a visit. WHAT COULD I BE CHARGED WITH, AND IN YOUR OPINIONS DO I HAVE GROUNDS FOR SELF DEFENCE Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Robert HM on November 24, 2005, 04:03:34 PM Sent you a PM
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: yt on November 24, 2005, 04:04:54 PM He sent you a letter? He could be bluffing? Can you spot a bluff? :D
sure rob has answered you well gl but i'm sure the guy is full of it. running to the police, what a tart. Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Graham C on November 24, 2005, 04:06:14 PM Im no expert but he's probably going for gbh or abh.
Call the citizens advice buereu and get proper advise. Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: smithy69 on November 24, 2005, 04:06:36 PM I think he will cos he is a pansy and a wimp
THNX ROBERT Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: yt on November 24, 2005, 04:12:39 PM ****Original post deleted after consulting with my legal team.***
;) Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: smithy69 on November 24, 2005, 04:16:55 PM i will admit to doing it - as i wont lie
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: thetank on November 24, 2005, 04:21:57 PM If a similar situation crops up again, give him some betting tips if you want to hurt him.
Seriously though, the best revenge is successful living, make sure this incident doesn't cause any rift in your relationship. Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: yt on November 24, 2005, 04:25:45 PM just dont say a word to the filth without a lawyer present.
no comment until one arrives. gl Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Robert HM on November 24, 2005, 04:27:09 PM good advice and did you get my PM yt?
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: yt on November 24, 2005, 04:32:29 PM yep see above.
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: smithy69 on November 24, 2005, 04:33:38 PM Tank have you been following my tips
If so you shud be in profit matey so Im setting up a book on my punishment 8/11 - Nothing happens 7/4 - Fine by Magistrate under £100 11/4 - Fine by Magistrate over £100 10/1 - Imprisoned (coupled a la French tote with headbutt on judge if imprisoned - EVENS) Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Ironside on November 24, 2005, 04:44:35 PM if robert is your lawyer can i have £10 on the 10-1 shot
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Robert HM on November 24, 2005, 04:47:42 PM Blooming cheek!
This weeks Crown Court results Prosecution 0 -v- H-M & Co 2 Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: thetank on November 24, 2005, 04:49:15 PM I have been and am showing a small profit from them, (I think, missed a couple of your good ones coz I was busy) meant nothing by it, just a wee friendly rib.
Put me down for 20 quid on nothing happens. Good luck. Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: smithy69 on November 24, 2005, 05:06:12 PM cheers mate
I think the nothing happens will win aswell also a small book on the amount of teeth he lost 10/11 - 1 7/4 - 2 LOLOLO Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: thetank on November 24, 2005, 05:10:18 PM If you get enough heavy betting on the nothing happens then you might be +EV to lamp the p**** again outside a police station.
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Graham C on November 24, 2005, 05:44:45 PM lol, id have a bet on nothing too. if he was going to do something, he'd have just done it and not faffed about telling you first
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Dewi_cool on November 24, 2005, 05:48:30 PM Smithy,
Having been involved in something quite similar, I found that the best way of dealing with the problem, is too go and see the bloke you assaulted and threaten him, and if this does not work give him another good hiding. However I am sure that this is the advice that Robert will have given you anyway. Good luck PS remember the steel toe caps Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: smithy69 on November 24, 2005, 05:49:24 PM cheers dewi
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Graham C on November 24, 2005, 06:48:13 PM LOL @ Dewi :D
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: zelda on November 24, 2005, 09:51:17 PM Hope it goes well for you mate - in my experience the police dont like to get involved in situations like this - they will have to follow it up but may just give you a warning once you explain the situation. Unless, of course, the damage was severe. I hope you and your girlfriend are ok - I know personally how traumatic being the victim of a stalker can be...
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: ifm on November 25, 2005, 12:25:28 AM What a fantastic thread!!
Love the humour (Tank and Dewi made me laugh out loud). I wouldn't worry about it, at worse you get a nominal fine though with the history it won't even come to that. The "other firm" won't be too interested methinks Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Heid on November 25, 2005, 12:29:41 AM Yeah but you don't even want to get arrested for anything really .. not if you wanna go to the US... even an arrest means you have to get a visa now.
and it's a royal pain in the bum. Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: ifm on November 25, 2005, 12:35:09 AM Have they changed the law again?
i went a few months back and had no problems (had a couple of "tangles" with the other firm), i thought it was only drug related convictions and other such serious stuff? Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Heid on November 25, 2005, 12:40:14 AM Well, you have to be careful now ... their visa waiver form is null and void even if you have just been arrested, and because they don't recognise the rehabilitation of offenders act here, all arrests and prosecutions are included, no matter how long ago.
You were probably lucky, but if you went in on the visa waiver with a record they could have deported you right back. I don't have a record, but I know the procedure you have to go through if you do. I once worked in an environment where I needed a security check done by the USAF, they told me my record was clean, and they were using US dbases :) Scary Stuff.. Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: ifm on November 25, 2005, 12:53:53 AM I visited a friend who's stepfather works as a guard on the US/canada border and before i went i checked it out, also i trawled all the necessary websites both ours and the US's.
I saw NOTHING at all that disqualified me from entering the US as indeed was the case (i went thru security checks 6 times in total). I was worried about not being allowed in but as i say i found no grounds at all for being refused entry, just scaremongering by peeps who heard about the toughening up of us law methinks. Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Sunday8pm on November 25, 2005, 12:55:10 AM tis a nightmare that club brazilia smithy, you should stay away!
hope things work out Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Heid on November 25, 2005, 01:00:56 AM I visited a friend who's stepfather works as a guard on the US/canada border and before i went i checked it out, also i trawled all the necessary websites both ours and the US's. I saw NOTHING at all that disqualified me from entering the US as indeed was the case (i went thru security checks 6 times in total). I was worried about not being allowed in but as i say i found no grounds at all for being refused entry, just scaremongering by peeps who heard about the toughening up of us law methinks. When you next get a chance, read the green form you fill out very carefully :) Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: ifm on November 25, 2005, 01:02:44 AM Well, i thought i did......in fact i know i did, what did you find?
Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: Heid on November 25, 2005, 01:06:36 AM From an official answer given to a member on another forum regarding the vwp:
"All VWP travelers agree to accept certain conditions instead of obtaining a U.S. visa. One of the conditions is that they must be able to convince immigration officers when they arrive that they are "clearly and beyond a doubt entitled to be admitted" and that they are not inadmissible under any section of U.S. immigration law. Generally, those who are inadmissible include people who have previously overstayed their period of admission to the U.S., those who have serious communicable diseases, and those who have a criminal record. People with criminal records are not now, and have never been, eligible to use the Visa Waiver Program. In fact, the VWP arrival form requires travelers to indicate whether or not they have ever been arrested or convicted as a condition for admission to the U.S. It is important to note that the UK Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply to U.S. visa law and the U.S. does not recognize any felony convictions as "spent."" Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: ifm on November 25, 2005, 01:13:15 AM Well i have to say that's wrong, it depends on the conviction.
I still have the bookmarks, i'll dig em out when i have time to read thru 'em. Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: ifm on November 25, 2005, 01:32:51 AM I have to say that at the time i searched the net far and wide for this info, i was pretty worried about being turned away and was as thorough as i thought i could be.
As i mentioned i even asked my friends stepdad who is a guard on the US border and he said i would be fine, indeed i was. I have just done another search and found 2 references to what you say!!! OMG i think i entered illegally!! Title: Re: Am after some advice from a legal point of view Post by: NoflopsHomer on November 25, 2005, 02:31:40 AM I'll do a spread bet on the number of teeth you'll leave him with @ 14.5 to 18.5 ;D
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