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Title: Can you find a fold here? Post by: KarlizLV on January 09, 2009, 03:28:57 PM First time in NL25. Was up to 37$ from 25$. Opp. was very tigh, PF 2 ; AF 0.8. I didn't push preflop because he call - raised, so I figured he has AA or KK, so I decided to call and see the flop. Was there a way I could not lose all my stack on this? Thanks :)
$0.1/$0.25 Deep No Limit Holdem 8 players Converted at weaktight.com (http://weaktight.com/) Stacks: UTG teDis ($28.30) UTG+1 Edubcn ($25.00) MP1 77Alexander77 ($24.75) MP2 krayziebone17 ($48.30) CO sunny4603 ($25.00) BTN CraZyJamez ($32.15) SB Hero ($37.20) BB Matze1803 ($10.65) Pre-flop: ($0.35, 8 players) Hero is SB Qc Qd 2 folds, 77Alexander77 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, 77Alexander77 raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, 77Alexander77 raises to $12.50, Hero calls $7.50 Flop: Ks Qs 4s ($25.25, 2 players) Hero bets $15.50, 77Alexander77 goes all-in $12.25 Turn: :3h ($53, 2 players) River: :8d ($53, 2 players) Final Pot: $49.75 Hero shows: :qh :qs 77Alexander77 shows: Kh Kc Hero wins $3.25 ( lost -$24.75 ) 77Alexander77 wins $47.30 ( won +$22.55 ) Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: MC on January 09, 2009, 03:56:08 PM How many hands on the stats?
Assuming reliable stats and your read "you figure he has AA or KK", you don't have implied odds to call preflop to hit your set... So, perhaps should lay down here, but I'm not going to fault you for how you played it personally. As long as you muck JJ in this spot against this player... Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: Cf on January 09, 2009, 03:58:42 PM How many hands on the stats? Assuming reliable stats and your read "you figure he has AA or KK", you don't have implied odds to call preflop to hit your set... So, perhaps should lay down here, but I'm not going to fault you for how you played it personally. As long as you muck JJ in this spot against this player... This. Though once you've hit that Q the money is obviously going in the middle, as AA is part of his range. Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: KarlizLV on January 09, 2009, 04:01:24 PM ~60 hands
Well I was thinking about folding preflop, but...I just find it hard to fold QQ preflop w/ 1 opp. Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: GreekStein on January 09, 2009, 04:04:46 PM After the flop we can't fold but like MC says, you aren't getting the right price with QQ to setmine if you know the guy has AA or KK.
Your play isn't horrible as no-one likes folding queens but when he reraises you so small pre alarm bells should already be going off big time. At NL25 and NL50 players loooove minraising with AA and KK because they think its good play. Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: GreekStein on January 09, 2009, 04:05:45 PM ~60 hands Well I was thinking about folding preflop, but...I just find it hard to fold QQ preflop w/ 1 opp. Yeah but its one opp who has raised you twice pre! Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: Sweetman on January 09, 2009, 04:25:26 PM fold pre.
Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: gatso on January 09, 2009, 04:31:10 PM no way I'm ever getting away from this on the flop
pf once he's limp 3 bet then 5 bet us I probs pass to a guy with pfr% of 2. you've only got 60 hands on him but I think that's enough to tell us we're in serious trouble here Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: MC on January 09, 2009, 05:44:23 PM ~60 hands Well I was thinking about folding preflop, but...I just find it hard to fold QQ preflop w/ 1 opp. Hmm 60 hands but isn't really enough to confirm he's tight enough to only have AA or KK here, so QQ plays a bit better. I find it hard to fold QQ to 1 opponent too. This might just be one of those spots where it was possible, but by no means definite. Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: KarlizLV on January 09, 2009, 06:02:52 PM Thanks a lot for the answers :D
Title: Re: Can you find a fold here? Post by: pokerfan on January 09, 2009, 09:08:06 PM thoughts noble?
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