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Caught a bit of poker last night on Channel 4.

Am I alone in thinking that every time Tom Dwan gets involved in a pot he takes forever and looks like he is going to pass out? Especially on that opening (rigged) first hand v Hellmuth, (where he flops a boat and Hellmuth lays down a flush on the river). Lol.

Am I alone in thinking his style is a little 'off the wall'?

Don't know why I found it so entertaining. Most TV poker is like watching paint dry.

Definitely a touch of the Iveys about him, looks like he's just taken a hit and seen a UFO or somefink

can you spot his tell? It' so obvious that I'm sure it'e done to tell the other players when he's bluffing, drawing or hit

Althoug it's not as bad as that bloke in the stripey jumpers at luton.

You can't possibly make such a judgement based on a Matchroom show. There isn't enough poker shown for the sample to be significant!

He's obv an excellent player, but I found him rather annoying on Poker After Dark personally!

Saw him on this months poker player, he looked paler than me and i'm the whitest person in scotland.

Arrogance is a very very ugly trait.

I really do not like him. Apart from the fact he's a cocky twat he has a face that i just really really wanna punch.

Who is he playing first in his challenge?   He lost over 1 Million over the last 2 days.

If there was ever a poker player I would like to see busto this is him.

I can't really understand why such a significant dislike for a guy can build up over the course of a few tv appearances and magazine interviews. He is probably the most hyped new player since Phil Ivey, this of course brings pressure. To me he seems uncomfortable infront of the cameras at the moment rather than arrogant or aloof. Small sample size at the moment obviously but he seems like a sound enough guy to me.

My opinion does not so much come from his attitude or face at the table (which is disturbing initself), but from the actual words spoken from his mouth at pre game interview.

Also looking like dracula's great grandson doesn't help him much.  Oh and the appearance of impending puking during every slowly thought out bet or raise (apart from the "all in" which he does rather quickly).  It just all adds up to annoying geek.

BUT...........I'd would rather watch him and his "interesting" moves than have to ever listen to Helmuth's voice ever again.

lol nail on head maria.

You should watch the latest poker after Dark's where Corey Zeidman needles Phil so much he donks off his whole stack.

This probably comes from the advanced online poker technique where you wait long enough to act and stop the RNG smack bang on your cards (try it!) :P

Ooops should have read this one.  No you are not alone, agreed lol. Obv.

 ;thankyou;

I spent a lot of time with Durrrr during the Premier League and he is certainly an interesting character. I think anyone who is prepared to make a living and play the game at the levels he does is certainly not going to be your every day man off the street.

Quite honestly I find him fascinating. I have spent a lot of time watching him play on FT in the past and have found myself becoming a fan and was really intrigued to meet him. When I looked at the line up, he was a player I really wanted in the Premier League. I got hold of his email address and sent him a cold email inviting him...nothing, so I forgot about it. I then found out that it was his old address so called Hellmuth for his number and tried a cold but rather long text inviting him to play. He replied "sure"..that was it and a minute later I received an email from Full Tilt to say that I had received a $75k transfer in my account. Our text dialogue continued for about a week..everytime he text me I had to get it translated by the younger generation in the office because there wasn't one sentence written out of on line code.

We asked all players to arrive by Saturday and all players emailed the office with arrival times to get picked up. Not Durrrr. We spoke on the phone and I kept asking him when he was flying..he told me he "had some business to sort out" and would be here and not to worry. I was worried and was ready to replace him. He didn't come on Saturday. Sunday morning at 9am I went onto FT and he was 6 tabling. I saw him win over $400k in about 20 minutes so text him.."Listen get off line and get on the fu*king plane". It was 4 am his time. He was at JFK airport at 5 and flew at 6.20 and arrived in London that afternoon.

When I met him I really couldn't make him out. I mean if you told me the guy was a multimillionaire gambler I would laughed in your face, but to watch him play was a pleasure. Of course in the show on Channel 4 you only get to see around 50 mins of a 5 hour game and you have to tell a story, so after you get the all-ins in, you can only get time for 5 or 6 of the best hands, but let me tell you he put fear into these players like I have never seen before. They respect him and they know just how good he is. We spent a few nights out in town..he wanted the best restaurants, the best nightclubs whilst still looking like he had just finished work experience at the local bank.

One thing is for sure, Tom Dwan is a genius. His business ideas away from the table tend to make sense and he has a plan. When you sit at his computer and watch him multi-table with over $2m in play and regularly push 3/400k with a flush or open ended st8 draw it made me feel sick sometimes and I didn't have a cent in play.

Arrogant? Sure. A 22 year-old kid making millions of dollars gambling online against the most seasoned players in the game, affording whatever he wants and flying all over the World to take on any opponent that is ready for the challenge. What did you expect? A normal kid? Name me a great in any sport that isn't arrogant? You have to have that in you somewhere to be the greatest.

On next week's show Tom Dwan is in the commentary booth with Jesse May. It was one of the most opinionated, arrogant and generally mumbled performances I have ever seen. I have never enjoyed a commentary more.

whether people like him or not eddie thats a cracking post

when is this on and on what channel

Very good post indeed sir.

I particullay like this paragraph.

Arrogant? Sure. A 22 year-old kid making millions of dollars gambling online against the most seasoned players in the game, affording whatever he wants and flying all over the World to take on any opponent that is ready for the challenge. What did you expect? A normal kid? Name me a great in any sport that isn't arrogant? You have to have that in you somewhere to be the greatest.

There are many many arrogent poker players with far less to be arrogent about. The persona he has taken on certainly must work for him.

Oh and by the way. Welcome to the forum, with a first post this interesting here's hoping there will be many more to follow.

Good post Eddie, welcome.

+1

Fantastic first post sir,

 ;welcome;

Geo

+1


I think everyone just forgot about Layne Flack, who is probably the most annoying human ever, let alone poker player

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Can't wait for the commentary then.

Wow! I wasn't expecting that.. I make a throwaway observation about Tom Dwan and a few days later we get Eddie's first post - a very interesting read and I, like many others no doubt, can't wait for the next episode and durr's commentary...

June i don't like this thread, Durrrr is the best.

I have never really seen any interviews with him, however I have read some and he comes across as a decent person. Great player as well.

Booder here......that is a great post Mr Hearne.   welcome to Blonde.

Don't think many people doubt his ability Brent, just the way he comes across can annoy.  Not everyone likes brussel sprouts.

About time too.

Welcome aboard Mr Hearn. Decent first Post that. Hope you build on it.

Ty all.

Pyso I didn't come on to defend him because you thought he was pasty! ;-) Just thought he was an amazing character.

Interesting too that you thought that first hand was "rigged"! To be honest I couldnt believe that cold deck popped out first hand they met in the league. Devilfish and Hellmuth really fell out over it as the Fish felt that Hellmuth shouldn't have bet the river. Interestingly Dwan said he would have insta-called the all in bet on the end if he was Hellmuth.

I will try and dig the hand out and put it online for those that missed it.

yes please.

Great first post BTW.

I would agree with the Pasty remark, but its nothing so serious that a holiday in the sun or a quick fry under the sunbed wouldnt cure tbh

I don't really see the need to give him so much stick just because he comes across as a bit of a geek,i don't know him personally so would prefer not to give such a strong opinion on him at the end of the day he's jut another human being i have no reason to slate him so harshly on an internet forum and although i'm pretty sure durrr doesn't come on blonde it would be pretty shitty if he did to read this crap wouldn't it ? Apologies if i'm being a bit strong but just don't see the need to be so critical of another person who i'm pretty sure none of you know.

No its not that serious mate, aren't forums for discussing opinions?

fk the durrrr haters

+1

ps. note the subject change.

mbsfn to be tom dwan - what a hero and he gets to be called 'toasty' by dave 'the golden boy' jones - he must be in heaven already at 22!

p.s. durrr is probably the greatest.....

I wasn't criticising him, just wondering if anyone else thought that he was a slow player and looked if he was about to pass out when thinking about what to do... He's obviously a great player but I've never met him so have no opinion on his personality.

My post was a bit OTT drinkaments & shitnightaments not FTW yo, lol  ;D

I know that Lord Tikay doesn't like links being posted BUT as it's within the topic hopefully he will let you watch this one.

Durrrr v Hellmuth - Premier League Poker

Go to www.matchroompoker.com and click on hand of the week. If you don't wish to register then use beiju.patel@matchroom.com

Will be interested to hear your views. Insta call for me bearing in mind the player / situation but Devilfsih ranted at PH that it was a easy fold and that he should never have bet the river.

Never an insta call. I think most people lay Hellmuth's hand down there. I like Durr checking 3 streets but not an amazing hand imo.

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Eddie can i ask do any of players on the premier league get any sweetners for turning up? Do youse foot the hotel flights bill etc? I actually thought hellmuth would of got a free buy in or the like with him being the crowd puller.

Ugh why do these TV shows insist on using people who may well be good players but are clueless commentators!!!

I was cringing listening to the stuff Ulliot was coming out with!

from a poker perspective or from a "enjoyment" perspective?

Totally agree on this at times i nearly turn down the sound. Devilfish made some strange comments imo

Both.

Get frazer greco or greekfish back in the box ;hide;

anyone watching this atm? Think Durr is doing a good job at the moment commentating

Hes doing a brilliant job commentating imo.

Really good for the poker player who knows something about the game. Wouldnt be ideal for complete beginners maybe, but they can gdiagf.

so funny watching Hellmuth

Durr spot on- any other player and Ronald calls with K10 and Helppii stacks off with AQ

A+ from durrrrr

Micko,

In answer to your question...NO-ONE gets an appearance fee for playing and all players pay a $75k buy in. It makes me laugh when I see comments like "they don't even pay to play" or "they are all paid to turn up". We pay for their hotel for the week and drivers to and from airport/studio. To be honest 90% of them are sponsored and their sponsors will may the majority of their buy in as they are guaranteed a minimum of 6 shows and it's the most widely distributed TV show in the World.

With regards to the commentators, I like to use the players in the league. This is mainly for 2 reasons. i) They are the biggest names and greatest thinkers in the game ii) They are involved in the league so they are interested to know/watch the outcome, they are generally funking for certain players and they also understand both the strategy of the format and the points system. Of course Devilfishs' commentary is not everyones cup of tea but I still think Durrrrs last night was spot on.

It's impossible to keep everyone happy but if the hardcore poker fan thinks the show is a "total crapshoot" (a format which keeps the mass audience happy) then hopefully at least they enjoyed Durrrs' analysis.

Eddie

ya good to see him giving opinions on how someone should play a hand 100% ignoring the fact that he can see oppo's hole cards and 100% not result dependent. v v good, should do more

Is this on tonight?

Last night. I think you can access it on the channel 4 website under the catch up section.

I enjoyed his commentary. Was funny that Jesse May said one thing and Dwan pretty much kept saying he was wrong.

Durrrr was very good as an analyst last night, didn't pull any punches and actually made some pretty interesting points. Making him about a millon times better to listen to than the majority of people who have done this role in the past.

Can i watch this on 4OD couldnt find it the other day and thought it started last week ??

yes it is on there as i downloaded it myself today.

can't find it either, got a link?

I found it,it wasn't easy though lol

http://www.channel4.com/video/brandless-catchup.jsp?vodBrand=party-poker-premier-league#popover

Just wondered would people be interested in having a league format similar to this on blonde say £50 pp to enter winner gets seat to dtd300 + expenses or could make it hundo and a seat to gukpt with % for 2,3 or other ideas just think a league on blonde like this would be good fun and just play $10/20 sngs or summit so everyone still had an interest ?

Lord Tikay indeed, behave Sir Eddie.

We are fine & dandy with Links from peeps who are on subject, & not here exclusively for the purpose of spamming.

We have had issues with Matchroom in the past, because they waded in & outright spammed. We just said to them, every time, work with us, please, be part of the community, & you can post pretty much anything. Spam only is a no-no. Those issues were before your tenure. Obviously. ;)

It was, (Durrrr), without a shadow of doubt, the best poker commentary I have ever heard.

Stunningly good, because he explained not just what, but WHY.

Loved every minute of it. I rarely watch the Matchroom stuff, (sorry sir Hearn, but I don't watch telly much at all), but I'd listen to Durrr any time, anywhere. So refreshing to bring in the new guard. A great decision by Matchroom. More of the same.

So true,durrrs comm was immense and as brent said i think good for once to see non results orientated advice

In comparison to devilfish who tried to call cards for the full ep and say the beat was coming then at the 10th time of saying so getting it right "i just knew it" well done sir.Vicky coren tilted me even more with her "so close" crap when someone needed a 2 and it came a 3,did she do this for the beginners that watch the show or is she just the luckiest donk in the world