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Full Tilt Poker Game #10166389233: Table Mills (edu, 6 max) - $3/$6 - Limit Hold'em - 9:11:37 ET - 2009/01/21
Seat 1: notorious p ($182.50)
Seat 2: Sambobby ($59.50)
Seat 3: fab101br ($195.50)
Seat 4: l JsaucE l ($154.50)
Seat 5: staycew ($68)
Seat 6: Mariusz29 ($222)
l JsaucE l posts the small blind of $1.50
staycew posts the big blind of $3
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to notorious p [As Ah]
Mariusz29 has 15 seconds left to act
Mariusz29 calls $3
notorious p raises to $6
Sambobby is sitting out
Sambobby folds
fab101br calls $6
l JsaucE l has 15 seconds left to act
l JsaucE l calls $4.50
staycew calls $3
Mariusz29 calls $3
*** FLOP *** [8s Td 4s]
l JsaucE l checks
staycew bets $3
Mariusz29 folds
notorious p raises to $6
fab101br calls $6
l JsaucE l raises to $9
staycew calls $6
notorious p raises to $12
fab101br calls $6
l JsaucE l calls $3
staycew calls $3
*** TURN *** [8s Td 4s] [4c]
l JsaucE l checks
staycew bets $6
notorious p calls $6
fab101br calls $6
l JsaucE l raises to $12
staycew calls $6
notorious p calls $6
fab101br calls $6
*** RIVER *** [8s Td 4s 4c] [9s]
l JsaucE l bets $6
staycew calls $6


Am i beat here??
flush draw got there and any 4 will beat me gut st8 draw got there or should i just call and hope that i win?
crazy table cant fold any 4 bet pre and on flop

$6 into that pot?  Let me know if you can find a fold.

You're probably beat 95% of the time here.

However, you have pot odds of about 20 to 1 anyway so you snap call and see what happens.

^^Agree

Your flop cap gives you info as real strength shown when they raise the turn. However, there is a reasonable chance you are ahead, and the 4 kinda helps your hand.

If staceyew had raised the river, it's an easy pass

I can't help but call here, but only one more bet...pass if it comes back to you. I'm not expecting to drag the pot though :(

A nice example of why FL scares the hell out of me..

Limit is so gay.

Have you got rakeback on Full Tilt Paul?

Cos you really shouldn't play limit without a rakeback deal. At least at volume...It's a good proportion of your profit.

yeah i do just the standard 27%

that's okay then :)

problem with the flat call is that fab101 is still to act he has called the whole way and is likely to be the one that hit the flush so you could be calling 6 with the possiblty of 18 on top i think your beat here and would save my 24$

ps i would snap call if i thought that there would be no more bets

No we only pay them off once. If it gets raised then we know we're losing so don't put another dime in.

We're definitely not calling all the way to the limit.

Just because fab keeps calling doesn't mean he's on a flush draw. Plenty more hands are worth calling with aiming to get to showdown.

If we're behind (which we probably are) I'd say it's JsaucE that's got the monster. Fab should have noticed his strong play and won't raise with anything other than something huge telling us for definite that we have to let go.

I raise the turn.

Call once on river as stated.